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update i was contacted by the fish and wildlife officer who is investigating the incident. apparently there was a misunderstanding and he thought that the kids were just shooting at but did not kill any ducks. he said he was contacted by peta and wanted to get his facts straight so he called me to confirm that ducks had actually been killed. so everyone is still following up on it. well maybe not the actual police but we all expected that. this is more in the realm of fish and willdlife. i will continue to post until the conclusion or this thread is closed. beefsquad

former sapper got out in 2003. checked out your picture but i have 2 questions. when did FORD make a humvee and when did they authorize the "SAPPER" patch to be worn? anyway i really like the patch and good luck.

Fixed. Like this version better Snoogans? wow thats a much better version

o.k o.k wait a second. i didn't want to offend people. i've just been reading these forums lately and the way people were going back and forth on this pocket cache subject it reminded me a little bit of one of my favorite movies. I just thought that maybe we could step back and laugh a little bit. I didn't intend to call any specific people "demented and sad". so i apologize . i enjoy geocaching and i enjoy joking around. its a hobby so i am trying not to take it so seriously. but i guess there are just to many emotions involved in this topic.

John Bender: Hey, Cherry. Do you do pocket caches? Claire Standish: That's a fake cache. John Bender: So? Claire Standish: So pocket cache's aren't the same as other kinds of caches. John Bender: Ah... but to dorks like him, they are. What do you guys do in your pocket caches? Brian Johnson: Well, in pocket caches we... we talk about pockets , properties of pockets. John Bender: So it's sorta social, demented and sad, but social. Right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- my apologies to John Hughes and " The Breakfast Club but this is how it sounds to me, all this pocket cache business. I just enjoy finding the caches.

update I was called by the police officer last night. He stated that he actually was not the primary officer but he had responded to the call and he and the primary officer did pay a visit to the home of the girl who was driving that night. i was given some wrong information about the registration being for an old address. the address was good and she was home. he said that they talked to her. they discussed her choice of friends and bad judgement etc. He would'nt tell me if she gave up her friends names. he also said that he didn't know if anything else was going on with the case and that the primary officer will be back sat night at 10 pm, and he would know more. i asked him why there was no actual case number, because by all accounts i have heard this was a felony. he said" oh this isn't a felony but it is definately a crime. " the wdfw officer hasn't returned my call yet so when that happens i'll know more from the poaching side. again thank you all for your support and suggestions. on a side note there is one thing that has been bothering me. What does O.S.P. stand for. i have'nt been able to figure it out. is there a list for all these abbreviations. Ive only been geocaching for a few months and everyday i read these forums someone throws another one out there. beefsquad

Update. sorry, i was out of town.but today i managed to spend some time on the phones. I called the wildlife officer but only got his voicemail. i also called the police dept. again and it doesn't sound that good because the address for the registration was old. they say there has been some investigation but no case number. they said the primary officer who investigated will be contacting me after 6 pm when he starts shift. if i can find out more i will post again. thanks beefsquad

update everyone must be trying to tie up all the loose ends before the long weekend. the dept of wildlife officer called me tonight to let me know he was investigating. there was a mix up where he thought another officer had contacted me but he had not. also they are very busy with bears in this area so we'll give these guys a break. there are only 138 Fish and Wildlife Officers in the whole state if i read their site correctly. so we are heading out of town for a few days and i feel pretty good about the situation. it looks like the ball is rolling . beefsquad

Pleeeease forgive me if this has been asked. I am going on a trip and would like to help a bug or coin move is there a quick and easy way to search online for cache's that contain bugs headed in the same direction i am heading thanks beefsquad

Ron Burgundy: [Ron Burgundy is handed a salad with cat poop] I will *not* eat that! Tino: You will eat that cat poop! Ron Burgundy: I will not eat cat poop! Tino: You will eat that cat poop before you talk about my city that way again! Ron Burgundy: Fine, if I eat the cat poop, will you bring me a steak? [he eats the cat poop] Ron Burgundy: Oh, God! Tino: Somebody get him a steak quick! Ron Burgundy: I'll eat the whole hunk of s**t! I don't care! [he begins crying]

update well will wonders never cease. i actually ended up talking to the dispatcher who took my first call that night. wow she remembered taking the call. and she said that the police did respond and went looking for the car. It turns out they know these punks and have had runins with them in the past. (go figure) well they went to the home and were looking for a parent, the killers are under 18, . didn't know if contact was made with a parent. didn't catch the actual shooters. im not sure who the cop talked to. but after this nothing more was done. info is still a little sketchy. yep yep did you see that, a glimmer of hope ending with a whole bunch of WHAT THE CRAP. Now well lets see. this could be a start of something good. because now we actually have an incident number, and i've been told that with that we can start an animal cruelty case through metro animal services. so all hope is not lost. we will keep up the pressure . thanks again beefsquad

update still have not heard anything from police or dept of wildlife . we have contacted PETA and spoke with a rep named Rita. she took the information and said she would contact the police and dept of wildlife . She also told me of a similar incident that she is also investigating where a goose was killed in federal way washington, just north of here. I have finally posted the pictures of the ducks and geese who remain at decoursey park on the mammoth's pond cache page. I did it without even thinking but i sure hope Mammoth doesn't mind. we will be sure to keep you posted thanks beefsquad

*Update* We went back to the park today and took some pictures. I have been trying for hours to get the pictures here onto the thread but just can't seem to make it work. There are beautiful pictures of the park, the ducks, swans, and geese, though the "feeling" of the entire park was much different to me. As soon as we can figure out how to get the pictures to show up on the site, we'd like to share them with everyone. As of now, after all of the contacts we've made with all of these organizations over the past 48 hours, we have only received the one mentioned response. I am still just in complete shock that these boys were even shooting any sort of gun in a public park with dogs, adults, and even kids everywhere. We will continue to update as soon as something does happen. -The Mrs.

update home from work making a few quick calls before school spoke with larry of Posado's Safe Haven today and gave him the whole description. he said he was outraged at the obscene murder of the ducks(paraphrasing) He was very helpful and is going to bring this up to the founders. told me that it is a felony now in washington with a penalty of up to 5 years in prison. gave me many tips and told me to keep up the pressure. called the animal control again today but talked to someone different today than yesterday. asked about the case and they said there was no case number but they were gonna call the police again and get back to me. also haven't heard anything from dept of wildlife yet but i will keep on them. if i don't get any response tonight i'm gonna go down to the actual police dept tomorrow after work. thanks for all your support and words of encouragement. beefsquad

just a quick update. i have also reported the incident to the washington fish and wildlife service. i reported it as a poaching incident. i made follow up calls to the police dept investigations section but i only got their voice mail, and they haven't as of yet returned my call. i did get in contact with their animal control person who was helpful. she had not recieved a report of the incident but i gave her the information i had and she was checking on it. thanks for the many helpful suggestions posted here and the emails i have recieved. and thanks to the local police officer who contacted me and checked into the matter himself. i will keep this updated. thanks beefsquad

Tonight while out for a few quick finds mrs beefsquad and I were headed toward the micro called Mammoth's pond. while heading toward the cache point we were admiring the many new baby ducks swimming amongst the other ducks at beautiful decoursey park. as we were coming up on the cache point we noticed 2 boymuggles and a girl muggle in their late teens or early 20's sitting almost on top of the spot. we decided to pass by nonchalantly and return later. As we passed they acted a little funny but we just assumed they were enjoying the park same as us. we went to search for some other nearby caches across the street but could not make the grab do to muggles being to close. we then decided to swing back to the first in hopes that it was clear of the muggles. We were elated when we got there and they had cleared off but our elation soon turned to dread when we discovered this beautiful mallard writhing on its back shot repeatedly. They had even shot out the eyes and left it to suffer. i heard them a little bit farther down the path. as we approached we saw the bags of bread that they were using to bait the ducks. The two males were doing the shooting while the girl sat on a bench as lookout. when they saw us they coming they hid their pellet guns and acted like they were just feeding the ducks. when we had passed them a mere 30feet they began rapid firing into the ducks. I immediately called the police as my wife wrote down their license plate. the girl took off for her car with the 2 males not far behind still pretending as if they had done nothing wrong. they drove off speeding down the road. we reported them, gave descriptions and their license plate but i really think that some dead ducks are to far down the list of priorities to get any real response. All I can do is scream on this website and hope karma fills them full of pellets.

Just started geocacheing this weekend and i love it. but ive searched for 5 caches and only found one. the 0ne we found was in a park and ride so there were few hiding places. im using a magellan 315 which i bought about 5 years ago when i was in the army. I basically blew the dust off it and went. i remember it used to work great but now it seems to do a lot of hopping around. while searching for a single cache it said at 3 locations approx .05 mi apart i was right on it. i circled and circled but to no avail. the gps bounced terribly. IS IT TIME TO BUY A NEW GPSR. If so any suggestions for $300 or less very accurate, able to upload waypoints and maps doesn't necessarily have to have an internal compass(i have my army lensatic compass). im not sure what other features are good for geocaching? thanks for any help not politically or profit motivated.