Danger_Warning

You also have absolutely no idea if they were geocaching or not. No, that's why I actually used the word 'PERHAPS' in my post!

It would appear that this cache is (hopefully) now disabled, and therefore job sorted. To all those private messages giving help and support thank you, it's much appreciated. To all those private messages apologising for the 'real' idiots on here who treat matters like this as a joke, you are absolutely right, and I have enjoyed winding the arrogant and ignorant up, they are just as bad as you said they were. And to the guy who actually walked across me at the weekend, causing my post in the first place, I will repeat, your are a liar, you DID NOT COME BACK AND FIND ME, so why tell everybody you did. Don't worry I won't be posting anything more on this site - unless I find another geocacher at the end of my aim...........

You also have absolutely no idea if they were geocaching or not? No, that's exactly why I actually said 'PERHAPS that's what they were up to' What is so hard to understand???

How on earth would anyone be able to check basic facts? You're the only one that knows them and getting them out of you has been like pulling teeth. If I am actually the ONLY one who knows them then maybe you can explain how come this has been disabled now?

And you would have removed the physical cache and only caused more problems because of cachers that thought it was still there would be wandering around in the area longer, trying to find something that was no longer findable. You did the right thing by coming here... I just wish that you hadn't been so secretive about its location. Well... actually, I enjoyed the challenge, but it took longer to resolve because of it. And to wrap this up, please let me remind you that you have not only called the geocacher an idiot, but now have called that person a liar as well. And yet, this idiot liar responsibly reported the situation to the cache owner, and the cache owner responsibly archived their cache, all without you starting this thread. "And to wrap this up, please let me remind you that you have not only called the geocacher an idiot, but now have called that person a liar as well. And yet, this idiot liar responsibly reported the situation to the cache owner, and the cache owner responsibly archived their cache, all without you starting this thread." Yes I#ve called this guy an idiot and a liar. He is an idiot for deliberately ignoring warning signs and he is a liar as he NEVER came back and found me as he has clearly stated. And how was I to know this cache had been disabled then, without trying to find a site like this and bringing it to people's attention?

It appears that the cache predates the archery club and that maybe the warning might have come after from the way stuff was written. If so the OP needs to apologize for going off and calling people idiots. There's always more to the story. It seems the archers were there first. See FTF log below. Found it 12/23/2008 FTF No.207 10:30am Surprised at this late hour to still be FTF! Arrived on site and was greeted by an archer, who said that there could be anyone practicing anytime, but when they do they display the sign saying archery in progress. Had a long chat with him on the way back and he said it is safe to walk through, but to keep to the route of the targets then you will never cross lines of sight. There are 14 targets and the route is circular. A simple puzzle soon solved in bed this morning and an easy find. Commiserations to legodude, I’ll let you discover the coin next time I see you. L2TB’s & 1 Coin. Logging FTF coins in & out. Also logging the prize in & out "It appears that the cache predates the archery club and that maybe the warning might have come after from the way stuff was written. If so the OP needs to apologize for going off and calling people idiots. There's always more to the story." I think you'll find the course actually predates 'geocaching' itself, having first been established in 1982, so if you care to make an apology yourslef I will graciously accept it...... ... as you say, there's always more to the story, maybe you should just check basic facts first yourself?

How much of a secret location could this be if it is a ????? ????? Like I originally said, THIS course is well signposted, but some ARE NOT? How hard is that to understand, uh?

Just maybe your previous 'interactions didn't involve someone walking straight across in front of a target as an arrow was about to be fired? It seems that people on here were aware of this situation arising, I wasn't and you did nothing about terminating this cache whereas it would appear that I have done. Where do you thiunk I would be right now had I loosed off that arrow and seriously injured this guy? And how would you feel had this resulted in a serious injury to that guy and you'd allowed this situation to exist/continue?

vs. Followed by: In summary: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: I met this geocacher JUST ONCE, I have no idea where he went to after he left me and he DID NOT return to find me to find a safe way out of the woods - that is a total lie. Had he actually come and found me as he inidcates I could have actually asked him where this cache was for myself and I would not be on here asking others to help me do so? If this matter is resolved as per some of the private messages I have kindly been sent indicate then I'd like to thank those responsible, but there is absolutely NO WAY this guy came back and found me, in fact I had left the woods myself within 5 minutes of the reported incident!

When you post in ALL CAPS with a screen name of Danger Warning, and tell forum users of an incident which occurred 3 days ago, but are unwilling to share details of it's location, it's difficult to take you seriously. Archery ranges are not in secret locations, and adequate warnings at the location should indicate there is a range located there. Here it is 6 hours later from the original post and there are finally now people looking into this. Had I actually been aware this site existed 3 days ago, you would have been the first to know about this, believe me, but as I didn't you didn't? And it may surprise you to know that some archery ranges ARE in secret locations, as they are totally private enterprises, set up for families and friends only.

I have my own reasons for neither confirming or denying where this location is, so please guess away all you want. I have a couple of people looking at the actual details now, which is what I really needed in the first place, so many thanks to those that have been kind enough to try and help, and not quite so many thanks to those who seemed to think it's a bit of a joke, hopefully it won't be one of you I am looking down my arrow at next time....

I'm doing the best I can to try to locate said geocache so we can help you out. Your cooperation would be very much appreciated. You seem to be about the most helpful person on here (but not the only one!) Is there any way I can email you withthe details I have please? Yes, you can email me from my profile page: http://www.geocaching.com/profile/?id=388495 But as one of the "most helpful people" here, I will try to convince you one more time that there is NO harm done by posting the location here in the forums. You would need to understand how caches are listed and retrieved by geocachers to understand that, so please just trust us on that. Okay thanks for that, I did just email another premier member who contacted me privately, if there is something there I'll let you know.

Thanks for that I have just replied, any help - in private please - would be appreciated!

I'm doing the best I can to try to locate said geocache so we can help you out. Your cooperation would be very much appreciated. You seem to be about the most helpful person on here (but not the only one!) Is there any way I can email you withthe details I have please?

Sorry, it's a totally legitimate archery club with it's own course, own committe, own accounts, and affiliated to one of the main archery bodies in the UK. I am sorry for any offence caused, however, and were I making this all up I wouldn't have sent the details to the 'reviewer' for them to check? Maybe if we do have an accident, this site will allow me to post the pictures for 'proof' for you, I seriously hope that never becomes a reality though.....

I am hoping that is the case, but until the 'reviewer' gets back to me I am a bit stuck, as you point out. If this site turns up blank then I'll try any other sites that ppeople can guide me too, but first things first, hopefully? For what its worth, if the archery club in question happens to be Wellingborough Open Archery Club (just a guess), there are no geocaches registered anywhere near the location listed on their website. There are also no geocaches located in Harwick Woods or Skywell Woods, if the range in question is the Skywell Range belonging to the Northhampton Archery Club. Not really sure where you got any of those locations from, but they aren't the locations concerned in any case.

Any type of fence, as long as it's visible and appears to be maintained, is generally regarded as a sign that one should not pass. Doubly so if you actually mark it as the perimeter of private property which is also a live firing range. But that still won't stop idiots. Posting the location here isn't going to increase your theft & vandalism problems. If it's private property and registered to an archery club, then there are already public records that indicate as such. As multiple people here have pointed out, your intentionally being vague is only making it harder for us to help you. I do appreciate you trying to help, although other people offering advice like shooting 'intruders' in the ankle is probably not the sort of thing I wanted to hear (even in jest) so maybe you can understand my reticense? The woods are actually registered in the owners name, I believe, not the archery clubs as we do not actually OWN them, so there would not necessarily be any information out there linking the two together?

Every business has a telephone. If it was truly an imminent danger, the owner of the property should have been called, as well as Groundspeak. There is also no excuse not to publicize the location either. If the area is really posted, then it should be no secret to anyone what is back there. So what I suspect is that there are not any caches on the property, and possibly the owner of the archery range could be liable for not posting adequate warnings on the property out of fear of vandalism. Mmm, actually my business doen't have a telephone number, on purpose - and although most business' do, it's not always easy or practical to find the correct number of get someone to actually answer a phone, especially at the weekend? I also can't understand why you think EVRYONE has heard of Groundspeak, I never have till today so why would I suddenly find the ability to call them a couple of days ago? All of this activity on here is down to me personally in order to try and provide some details back to the archery club of what I have tried to do and the sort of information and help that is available? Like I said, we are a field archery club that use a small woods for a specific purpose, we are not geocachers, or property owners. This was the first 'near miss' that I know of at the club, I am hoping we can avoid there ever being a second if at all possible?

I am hoping that is the case, but until the 'reviewer' gets back to me I am a bit stuck, as you point out. If this site turns up blank then I'll try any other sites that ppeople can guide me too, but first things first, hopefully?

Thanks for an interesting post. Although we call it 'field archery' over here, it mostly takes place in woods, and it can be 3d animal targets, target butts with animal faces on them or circular targets of various types, etc. Our course is in a fairly small wood on private property, and nobody would normally have a reason to go through the woods, although obviously it could happen - how high or solid do you have to make fences? This is the first ever 'near miss' like this that I am aware off, and we just want to explore all avenues to stop there becoming a second one? There may well not be a cache in the woods itself, that's why I am taking so much time over replying to as many people as I can in order to find out where it actualy is, if possible, and one problem is that we have started getting theft and vandalism insidents on some of the archery courses in this country, so if it isn't in the woods themselves I'd rather keep the exact location private.

The owner of the archery course (our club) was not aware there was a cache in the location, we happen to be field archers, not geocachers, with respect? As for calling Groundspeak, I didn't even know it existed till today? As for shooting anyone in the ankle, I presume it was a joke (durrrr???) if that happened we wouldn't have an archery club to be worried about............ Well, why not shoot them in the ankle? They ignored obvious signage. You also did not notify anyone all weekend about a potentially dangerous situation which existed. The quickest way would have been to make a phone call, instead of posting it here. There is also no valid reason to hide what particular area, archery range, or cache it is either. If it is truly a danger, everyone should know which cache it is, and should be warned. Correct? "You also did not notify anyone all weekend about a potentially dangerous situation which existed." On the contrary, I have notified others before posting on here, that's the only way I knew this site existed, and I have now posted on to here as soon as finding it! Like I said, I am an archer, not a geocacher..... ... and we have problems with vandalism and theft from archery courses in this country, so it's not in OUR interest to publicse the locations of them......??

As a result of some helpful advice on here I've now found a map of the area in question, and it shows a number of caches around the outside of the woods in question, but not close enough for anyone to take a (highly dangerous) shortcut through our course to find them, in fact they all appear to be on roads - although I suppose someone may still take a shortcut across a field if they are walking everywhere. Come to think of this, there were a couple cutting across a field neerby a couble of weeks agio with an ordnance survey map, so perhaps that's what they were up to? On thing that has got alarm bells ringing though, and I need further advice on this please, is that when I put the postcode in I have there are all of the above mentioned caches listed - with a sort of box next to them, however there is one which has a question mark by the side of it and this is not shown on the map, apparently it is only available to 'premium' members here. What makes the alarm bells ring, is the fact that this item was apparently first 'placed' on 02/04/11, but appears to have been found 'today' - this cache appears to be the closest to the postcode I have. Is there someone here who can check out the exact location on my behalf if I email them the details of it, again I don't want to publish the exact details on here at this stage?

The owner of the archery course (our club) was not aware there was a cache in the location, we happen to be field archers, not geocachers, with respect? As for calling Groundspeak, I didn't even know it existed till today? As for shooting anyone in the ankle, I presume it was a joke (durrrr???) if that happened we wouldn't have an archery club to be worried about............

Since you know the location well (or claim to), you should be able to locate the cache on the maps provided on the website. That GC code is very valuable information to the reviewer, and other cachers in the area - without it, the reviewer may be forced to disable a dozen caches in that area, instead of the one that caused this problem. Okay thanks, again this is the sort of advice I appreciate, if I can just find out how to do that.... Will let you know how I get on!

Okay thanks, this is the sort of advice I appreciate, if I can just find out how to do that.... Will let you know how I get on!