Goldenwattle

I log a DNF when I have searched and not found it. I log note when for some reason, such as a muggle sitting at GZ, I couldn't search. To me it seems silly to think that the hunt starts when you press the GPS to go to it, which could be a 100kms away. One km into the journey and the bridge is closed, end of search. I would not log a DNF for that. I haven't got there; I haven't searched.

That's my guess. This is an example of why TBs should not be rebirthed. I have found TBs that were missing for years. Get a new TB.

That's cruel. It's not the TBs' owners' faults.

I had a nano under a bench (in my defence for placing a nano, it was years ago and my first cache), but the third time it went missing I archived it. (No lose, being a nano.) I had seen birds around the bench and I was very suspicious they were muggling it. I hope they weren't swallowing it. Better it was archived.

A footbridge near me got replaced and I knew there was a cache hidden under it, so I checked, thinking the cache would be gone. But no, the workers had found it and placed it safely at the base of a nearby tree.

People spend the time reading past logs? I prefer to cache. I only ever read past caches if I am looking for an extra clue.

I have a box of jewellery (plus some other things) I am slowly releasing, but so many caches these days are too tiny. You know when it's a micro it won't fit, but when it's marked as a small it's disappointing to turn up with nice trinkets to find ANOTHER micro. This happens too often?. Then there are the damp caches and the caches in too muggly a place, which I wouldn't want to leave nice jewellery in. Eventually I will off load the box of jewellery I guess. And the dolls furniture. (The later, not in the class of the jewellery trinkets.)

Unless it's the only cache. I visited Suva in Fiji. There was only one cache in the whole of Suva. I made sure I got it. However, if I hadn't been able to find it, although being VERY, VERY disappointed, I would have logged a DNF.

Fortunately I am sure that cerberus1 will remove it this time, now the experiment is complete .

Did the experiment with cerberus1's TB. I 'found' the TB and then 'placed' it in one of my caches. Cerberus1 then locked the TB. After which I attempted to mark it as missing. I didn't see anything happen, so I tried again. Still nothing appeared to happen. It is still on the list of the cache I placed it in. So it appears that although the Mark Item Missing button is there and can be clicked on, it is locked too and stops this from working. Interesting experiment. This would be very annoying for a person who had a TB in their possession, or in one of their caches, if the TB was then locked by its owner. Unless HQ came to the rescue, that TB would remain forever in the cache's or geocacher's Inventory, with no way of removing it.

Sorry, I didn't register the "Regarding the hockey/tennis analogy thrown around...", only that you replied to me. My mistake. Sometimes I can look at something and not see it.

Done, I have it now Lock away...

Um, no, and crazy to suggest it.Shows how much you don't know me. If I felt that way I wouldn't be logging my DNFs and I do log them. As I have said elsewhere multiple times, I nearly always check with the person first to have them point out their signature to me, so the story you wrote is yours, not mine.

No I meant, when checking the log and a signature is found missing, how do you know if the fingerprint belongs to the person who didn't sign, if they don't mention they left a fingerprint. For instance, the fingerprint could belong to another logger whose pen leaked onto their finger as they signed.

I didn't think to try marking it as missing, but if the TB is locked I wonder if that is possible, as you can't log it, or even write on your old logs. I couldn't write a note though, as if the TB is locked, you can't write a note, or any log.

That is what I planned to do to get it off my inventory, if the CO didn't respond. Fortunately the CO did and fixed the problem. However, if HQ wouldn't unlock the TB ( they might say it is property of the CO and it's up to the CO) it wouldn't solve the problem that no-one would be able to log the TB in any form. It would then be no better than a trinket in a caches, but very annoying for those that picked it up.

Okay, reply from CO. They reckon they didn't lock it and will see if they can unlock it. Hopefully it will be worked out and have a good outcome, as it's a cute TB. Added: sorted.

But what if I don't want it to remain on my Inventory. I can't get if off my inventory, I can't log it off , I can't make a note on it. It's LOCKED. Tell me why I must have it stuck on my inventory for all time? Tell me what use a TB is that no-one can log. Unless it's unlocked, I can see the TB being picked up, found it can't be logged, dumped into another cache, and wander from cache to cache without any logs. It ceases to be a TB when it can't be logged.

TB7MWJH I have a TB in my possession that when I went to place it in a cache (actually, it is in a cache now) I found it had been locked and I couldn't log it to say I have released it. I also checked my last log and I can't log that either to make a note of where the TB has been left. It appears it hasn't been on my list for awhile. Weird; I don't understand it. I did pick this TB up at the end of a MEGA off the table and I know it was receiving 100s of Discovered logs, and this is the only reason I can see for the CO locking it, as they were annoyed by all those logs. But the result now is, I can't log it into the cache where I left it. I didn't even know TBs could be locked. I have messaged the owner and if I don't hear from them I will likely return to the cache and if the TB is still there, pick up the TB and throw it away. Shame, as it's a nice TB, but if no-one can log it, what use is it? Photograph of TB (the donkey) in the cache where I left it.

I take photographs of the log and if I can't find someone's signature, I send a note to them asking them to please point out their signature, as I might have missed seeing it ?. I did on one occasion not recognise the signature. When pointed out to me, I could see the name if I studied the scrawl hard. One replied, words similar to, it's a game and they didn't feel the need to be pedantic and bother signing. Deleted. Many don't reply. If they do with other good proof the log stays.

Exactly. I also use a GPS, not a phone, and I log when I get home; not in the field. Proper logs, not only TFTC or similar that many phone users do. I once moved a TB that was a game piece out of its area. How was I to know? It was a TB, so I thought I was doing it a favour by moving it. That's what you do with TBs ?. I discovered that night when I read its online page it shouldn't have been moved out of area. I dumped it in the next cache that it would fit it, so not to move it further. Someone came and fetched it.

I found a TB in a cache that was "Discover-only". I found the idea of "Discover-only" weird and off-loaded the TB as soon as I could; putting it in the first cache that was big enough to fit it. If I had known that when I found it, I would have left it there and not logged it. I like to show with photographs where the TB travels to, and with "Discover-only" this isn't possible. I have also been known to try to fulfil the TB's challenge or get it to the destination requested. With a "Discover-only", I had inclination to try.

There was one local cache; a cache hidden in a hole in a bench. It was so 'invisible' that it got painted along with the rest of the bench.

The TB that travels with me visits the caches I visit, so it gets logs. It was that TB which got flooded with too many discoveries in one place. I don't mind the odd discovery of it and I show it to people for this, but hundreds in one place; not by people picking it up and recording its number, but by getting a list.

The type of discoveries I dislike and I found this out the first (and it will be the only) time I did this, was to place my TB on a discovery table at a Mega. The volunteer looking after the table took down the number and placed it on a list on a computer. Then all someone had to do was get that list and discover all the TBs. For weeks discoveries were being made on my TB. Hundreds and hundreds of discoveries. I will never 'lend' my TB to a Mega again and allow it to be added to a list. If I show an individual there the TB and they discover it, fine, but not half the universe. So many that I was tempted to start to delete their logs, but because I placed it there I didn't feel it was right to do this. But if one of my TBs visits another event where I don't place it on the table, and these discoveries happens in such numbers I might consider deleting those discoveries. Getting a printed list, with hardly a glance at the TBs (as happened) is not something I want. Apparently some other TB owners did delete the discoveries from the Mega I was told.