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Easy enough to make yourself, but if you don't want to take the time they are also available on Ebay http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.Xgeocaching+%2B+roller&_nkw=geocaching+%2B+roller&_sacat=0&_from=R40 And of course at he Geocaching.com shop. http://shop.geocaching.com/default/gear/tools/logsheet-roller.html They can be pretty handy.

I've seen hints that were UPS or UPR, which apparently stands for Unnatural Pile of Sticks, Or Unnatural Pile of Rocks.

I'm guessing in places like Florida and Texas etc you don't need to check to see if a cache is "winter friendly" before you go geocaching in Dec.

Been on crutches since last Wednesday after severely spraining my ankle while out caching. Big geocaching trip this weekend,that we've had planned for months, is basically shot now.

I ordered a GizzMoVest for my eTrex 30 last week and so far I have to say I'm loving it. I can be a bit rough on my gear so I feel better having it in a case, and this is really one of the cooler ones I've seen. Device fits perfectly, the case secures snugly, and I have no trouble operating the buttons at all. I've only had it out twice but so far I have nothing bad to say about the GizzMoVest at all. Definitely glad I purchased it. Highly recommended!!

Perhaps he flew up on angels wings. Perhaps he knocked it down with a well thrown rock, that would be another way to "try" as well. Who knows? Certainly no way of telling from his log entires, and his attitude in those don't really make me inclined to grant the benefit of the doubt. But I'm not saying you can't. I really don't know how he got it down, he choose not to explain what happened. He just said it was down, someone go replace it. I doubt anyone would have reacted negatively at all had he stated that that he intended to replace it all along or seemed the least bit sorry that he wasn't able to do so. But hey, at this point what's the difference? If you don't personally have a problem with it, good. I'm not trying to change anyones mind here, just stating my own personal opinion. If you think I'm wrong, or stupid for holding that opinion, that's fine. I do agree that having people congreate and let them claim a find that they couldn't possibly have retrieved on their own is silly. Is a smiley and one more find on your record that important? I don't think that is any more of an accomplishment than knocking the thing down with a sling shot would be, probably less so.

T1 caches probably require more maintenance than T5's. Especially if people actually retrieve, then replace, the T5's properly and don't just knock them down then leave them where they fall. I just can't really blame the CO for archiving it. They're a jerk because someone completely violates the spirit of the cache and then wants them to clean up the mess? Yeah, it would have been nice if they just replaced it. Yes, maybe they had a tantrum, but at the end of the day no one owes anybody a cache. You are speaking as a CO there, but what if the people finding them kept chucking them over the ledge? How many times would you replace it before you archived it? Probably more than once like this owner, sure. But after a few times I think most people would say it wasn't worth the effort. Fortunately, I think this is a rare case. I think what bothers me is the notion of going after one when you have absolutely no intention of replacing it. The sad fact is that sometimes all it takes is one person acting poorly to ruin something for everyone else. Personally I wouldn't want to be that guy or encourage that kind of thing. That's all I'm saying.

Yes, the CO has a responsibility to maintain the cache. But a cacher has a responsibility to replace the cache as well. If they know prior to retrieving it that there is no way to replace it, they shouldn't go after it. I wouldn't knock a cache down with no means of replacing it anymore than I would grab a 1 difficulty then drop it on the ground and walk away, expecting the owner to run out and replace it. And if you can't or don't want to maintain it anymore, archive it. There...Problem solved.

Doesn't look too crowded to me. I'm not overly concerned with numbers, but it is nice when you can spend the better part of a day in an area exploring and also pick up a handful or two of caches. Or pick up half of them one day and save the rest for another visit.

So knocking a cache down with no means to replace it, then blaming the CO for not properly maintaining it when it's left on the ground is totally acceptable? That's good to know. I've been doing it all wrong! Time to get me one of these babys!

It would be nice if the owner put that info in the listing, maybe they will update it. You say you didn't know the place closed at dusk, if that's true I guess it can be chalked up to a honest mistake. But I certainly wouldn't repeat it, unless getting a FTF is that important to you. In which case just do whatever you want. Apparently you got in and out without any hassles, which is good, because it wouldn't reflect very well on the cache owner, or geocachers in general. I mean, the CO has to get permission to place the thing and presumably assures the park manager that putting a cache in there isn't going to cause any bother... And on the very first night it's published someone comes traipsing in after hours to find the darn thing. Not really buying the notion that you could find the cache but that it was "way too dark to see any "Closed" signs".

Lol! Well, the size was listed as "?/other"

I like the interesting/well camouflaged containers. Sometime it's an item that is in plain sight but is so natural you look right past it at first. Like these:

I'm not much for collecting swag, but I try to leave things that someone might actually like or use. I've left a bunch of CITO kits (film canister with a plastic shopping bag stuffed inside, and a label on the outside) and for a while we had a bunch of Red Cross giveaway first aid kits (a little vinyl pouch with band aids, antiseptic wipes, neosporin packets etc). I really thought the first aid kits were good swag. Although I don't know if anyone who ever found one would agree. I just figured it was a good thing for any cacher to throw into their geocaching bag if they didn't have one already. I wish I had a bunch more.

Thank you! I think that is a better way to do it.

I had the same thing happen. I went to look for a cache that I had loaded onto the gps months before. I expected it to be easy but I couldn't find it anywhere. After searching the obvious areas I got down on my hands and knees and miraculously found the cache, which was one of those super small nano containers. Somehow even after rolling down a hill, and being out the entire winter, everything was in great shape. When I got home to log it, it had been archived for over six months. I notified the owner and everything but I guess based on past issues with the cache he decided not to reactivate it. It's actually one of my most satisfying finds. I call it "The Cache That Wasn't There" GC1GPYP

I don't really care for the cut and paste log entries, but I'm fine with it as long as they are accurate. I had a cache that I couldn't find on my watchlist because I am almost certain it's not there. One day I finally got a notification that it had been found so I went to the page to see if could learn anything from the log entry. It was a cut and paste job. I have my doubts that the person actually found the cache (it hasn't been found since their entry). I have a feeling they mistakenly logged the thing as found and pasted in their entry. I'd rather have a simple TFTC that was unique to that cache than a cut and paste job that doesn't really mean anything or help at all.

As a general rule I agree with what Shmitty posted. 10-15 minutes per degree of difficulty. Personally, I hate to give up so I will spend as long as it takes until I've convinced myself that it's really not there, or that I'm just not going to find it. Recent log entries factor in pretty heavily. If it has been found recently I tend to look longer, if it hasn't been found in some time, especially if the last few log entries are DNF's, I try not to waste too much time.

I log my DNF's and I wish more people would do it as well. BUT, if I go back and find it at a later date, I log the find stating that it wasn't my first attempt and delete the original DNF. The reason I do this is because it makes it very easy to go to my logs and click on "didn't find" to check on caches and see if they have been found, or if I want to have a list of caches to go back and try to find. Maybe there is an better way to do this, but if I don't delete DNF's that I eventually found I don't have an easy way to keep a list of caches that I need to go back and try to find. This way if it shows up as a DNF in my log entries I know that I really haven't found it yet, rather that having the same cache showing up in my logs as both found and unfound.

I think alot of people just try to see how many they can get and keep for themselves. The thing may have traveled halfway around the world but all of the sudden it lands in their possession and they decide it's their personal property. It's not an oversight when they are logging that they "took" it here and there for weeks, months, even years on end. Unless they think that constitutes moving the coin. I like to see coins move from cache to cache, from person to person. I'm leery of placing trackables because I know that if found by certain geocachers in my area it will be "taken" from cache to cache constantly but never dropped off again. I was just looking at one this morning that a local cacher picked up on 1/31/2012 and logged with the note "will move soon". It's moved allright in the last year and a half, but has never left their possession.