jjasks

Well you picked a great day for a cache.. should be easy to recall that I hiked 10 miles, uphill, in 3 feet of snow to get my 400th.. If you are taking the family, I would hit: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...a5-f647d8e01d21 or for that matter most any sparrowPI cache is a great family adventure. Some are a little tough to have kids in tow.. so that is why I suggested the one above. It is tricky, it is almost mean.. but it is a new style that is sure to please. Not sure how accessable it is with the snow, but give it a day to melt and it will be availiable. Let me know if you want to chat offline... -Josh

If you can expand on what level, time, ability you are looking for I can send you to a worthy 400th.. The first that comes to mind and should still be acceassable is: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...40-33135f664d5e This was a great family hike. If you want closer, for yourself.. try.. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...d0-a8caa2ccdba2 This will take some work and it is not eral easy, but the area in the end is a 10. so expand on what you are looking to do and I can help with the scenic caches in the area, cache-n-dash's you will need to ask bobfireman (just kidding)

Here is the story: News Story I thought the news station did a good job explaining what the sport is all about.

All I can say is - it was about time they did something like this. I spent most of the day with the crew and we hiked Horse Theif Park. Glad I can support the cause, I think this might drum up some interest in the sport. Josh - jjasks

Folks; I am interested to hear about DeLorme Topo 5.0 and National Geographic's Backroad Explorer. Mostly I am interested in how up-to-date these pkgs are. Are the trails up-to-date? is one better than the other? As far as pricing goes which one do you feel you get more bang for your buck. It seems that both will talk to the Magellan and Garmin line, that is not a concern to me. Thanks for input..

Purpose! Something about the area is a must see for those that GC. I ask myself why here on a lot. Quality and creativity is key in my book. Of course I am like Tahosa where all my caches are in the backcoutry. All the ones I put in town got taken. have fun! -jjasks

This also works the same for El Paso County Parks (Co. Springs). You can contact me or CoAdmin for that. Also at this time open spaces and City Parks in Co. Springs do not allow caches. Clues are ok. jjasks

Have you seen this yet? http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...a6-23ecfc01dbeb Hope you can make it... Last year we had 150 - this year I think will be around the same. jjasks P.S. If you want to help with a certain part - you got it!

BINGO! Yes they requested other cities example/policies/codes/rules whatever they can use to get a warm and fuzzy. COAdmin is out, so while out, I wanted to see what I might dig up on the forum. He was going to go to the meeting with me, however he became ill. I feel that he would have been able to get this data and while the meeting is fresh in there minds (The City) I wanted to hit them with the data. any help while he is offline would be great. thanks

You appear to have a quotation mark where you want an apostrophe on your page (They"re). If this is the kind of thing that gets to you, you might want to read Eats, Shoots and Leaves. Then again...maybe it would just make matters worse. Bret I JuST WAnTT to no whe'ere you findd ThIS Stufff

Ok thanks - I am done with my presentation to the city and it went great - Just one person was raining on my presentation. Even his boss was their (just kidding) there and he seemed to have acceptance - I am just trying to give weight to this bogus argument.

See you are using the same logic as I, but they are not working with logic. Oh the county (who was at the meeting) mentioned the garbage cans, that was classic... the county actually understands the logic we are pointing out. To tell you the truth I wanted to use the line from Wanes World; 'eh, yeah.. and monkies might fly out of my butt...'

Well trying to reason with unreason is challenging at best. They kept giving me "what it" scenarios, what if a terriost were to place a substance in the container and a family were exposed to it, because the 'city' allowed the cache in the park, they claim that it then makes them liable. Trust me you are preaching to the choir.. I am just looking for other cities that are on board and show that Co. Springs is behind the curve. Oh! what was even better was the fact that they actually said even though they are not allowed, we would rather not know (turn a blind eye) if caches are in the parks - then we are not liable - my point to this was I am trying to establish caches in areas that are 'approved' and not create social trails and just plan junky caches in the parks. I also pointed out the fact that they are monitoring the web site to remove them when they are placed (so they do have knowledge and thus in there minds they liable at this point!? Eih!), so in the same conversation they contradicted themselves, wow big surprise. -Josh

Well trying to reason with unreason is challenging at best. They kept giving me "what if" scenarios, what if a terriost were to place a substance in the container and a family were exposed to it, because the 'city' allowed the cache in the park, they claim that it then makes them liable. Trust me you are preaching to the choir.. I am just looking for other cities that are on board and show that Co. Springs is behind the curve. -Josh

How about when a person goes with the cache creator to place the cache and then logs it as a FTF.

Yep I have sent them links to the geocaching news archives. Thanks for the specifics. -Josh

Well I was looking for a site level disclaimer and never thought to look right in front of me. Great point, maybe this will help some with these guys. thanks. Josh

No they have no data for there thinking and it was interesting to see that only one person of the 7 I was meeting with had this concern - everyone else was on board with the idea... I think they are going to allow see through containers, which would be great! - but your point is very valid. I really think sometimes these guys are wound so tight that they just cannot see what is going to happen without there consent i.e. letterboxing

Actually I had meeting with a city council today and purposed that we make rules and guidelines that will put there fears of being sued at ease. I feel like there are not many cities that are concerned about libility. We are very close to getting them to open the door, however if I have other experiences out there with success' it will only help. It is interesting that the person that sent me that letter in the Helen Hunt cache you pointed out is now working as a strong advocate! He is really a nice person and he is helping me a lot. I also had the county at this meeting and they have accepted caches in there parks using various guidlines that will be approved by co_admin and the county (co_admin btw, was going to be with me today, but is sick) I think of larger metropolitan cities and how a lot of the caches are in city parks and have they ever had an issue brought up against them. I need to put only a couple of persons at ease on this issue to get them to ok cacches in the parks. TIA

I am interested to hear if anyone has ever heard of a city being sued for someone being injured while seeking a cache that is located on city property? I meet with them today and that is there main concern! looking for testimonies thanks, jjasks

I am interesting to hear if anyone has ever heard of a city being sued for someone being injured while seeking a cache that is located on city property? looking for testimonies thanks, jjasks

I cannot say I have camped at Estes Park, however I have camped at Rocky mtn. National Park (RMNP) and it is great. It really does not matter where you camp there, it is nice - period. It is also first come first serve, so you don't need to worry about a spot if you time it right. HTH, let me know if you need more details. jjasks

Gezz seems everyone has advise that does not live here. I live in the Springs and LOVE IT! It is great to get off work and 10 minutes later hit caches that can take you into the backcountry. Is the Springs growing? yes. Because it is a great place to live. I am a hiking junky and cannot get enough of the trails all over the place here. Jobs here are back on the rise. I was in Sacramento before I took a job here. Compared to the prices in CA, CO is better. The increase of the population is causing the housing to really become a pain here, that is the only shortfall. I would say we are 2/3 the ratio as CA housing for a nice area. -Schools; district 20 is highly recommended -Caching activity; we are working the county (with great sucess) - next is the city - not to worry the Pike National Forest is a stones throw away. -Must do caches; humm, let me think, oh! how about these: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest.aspx?u=jjasks -Caches to show you around... yes a lot, recommend SparrowPI and Gil and Ani caches. Good luck and hope to meet you at our caching event if you are out here for that. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...a6-23ecfc01dbeb