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Gotta break up those congrats threads somehow eh Currykev?

Just TYNE AND WEAR needed now - please help if you can, or prod a cacher who you think might be able to

LQ:CITY - Bazalgette's Bank by Goldpot Thanks for taking part in the series, Peter, looks a cracking spot, and "City" was exempt from the no-micros rule Bet the teams who've already completed the Little Quest won't be able to resist

Nice BBC article about lowland trig points here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/3827507.stm

You can also use one icon for all the "stages of a multi" (trailhead, reference point etc etc).

YAY! Email sent! Just TYNE AND WEAR now - any takers?

Of course there is a pub, though as the venue is open to all there would be no need for one. And this gives me the ideal oportunity to bring this nicely back OT What makes a pub event "open to all" ? Careful now!!! Of course they are open to all!

Any news?

Two cache hiders for the LITTLE QUEST series have pulled out of the equation. Thanks to them for placing their two caches! TYNE AND WEAR and CITY OF LONDON are available. Little Quest Cache Page Little Quest Hiders Page Little Quest Bookmark List The City cache will need replacing (ie, no adopt) because of the location in a currently Out-Of-Bounds area. Alistair UK has started a thread about the former, however, Londonners would perhaps miss a thread entitled "Tyne & Wear" So - would anyone like to be a part of it?

Maybe for you, but I've not got a clue with how to configure the MM export, with the Macro For Symbol Generation and the Link bits. Just wondering if the Trig icon is in the correct format to be read on a PDA?

I've installed the fab Lord Elph's Loverrly Icons http://blog.dixo.net/downloads/lordelphs-lovely-icons/ Now, the Trig icon shows up fine on Memory Map, but doesn't transfer to the PDA. For those that don't know, Memory Map on the PDA has a limit to the number of icons you can use at once. So, I've done as many have, and tweaked my Roolku script to ignore whether a cache has bugs in it or not. <?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?> <xsl:stylesheet version="1.1" xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" xmlns:Groundspeak="http://www.Groundspeak.com/cache/1/0" xmlns:gpx="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0"> <xsl:output method="text" encoding="Windows-1252"/> <!-- enter your geocaching id here --> <xsl:variable name="me">595113</xsl:variable> <xsl:template match="/"> <xsl:text>IC01,1,"c:\gsak\icons\TrigN.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,101,"c:\gsak\icons\EventF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,102,"c:\gsak\icons\LetterboxF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,103,"c:\gsak\icons\LocationlessF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,104,"c:\gsak\icons\MicroF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,105,"c:\gsak\icons\MulticacheF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,106,"c:\gsak\icons\TraditionalF.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,107,"c:\gsak\icons\UnknownF.bmp" </xsl:text> 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<xsl:text>IC01,210,"c:\gsak\icons\EarthN.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,211,"c:\gsak\icons\MM_N.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,212,"c:\gsak\icons\AR_N.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,213,"c:\gsak\icons\SidetN.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,214,"c:\gsak\icons\WhereigoN.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,301,"c:\gsak\icons\EventO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,302,"c:\gsak\icons\LetterboxO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,303,"c:\gsak\icons\LocationlessO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,304,"c:\gsak\icons\MicroO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,305,"c:\gsak\icons\MulticacheO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,306,"c:\gsak\icons\TraditionalO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,307,"c:\gsak\icons\UnknownO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,308,"c:\gsak\icons\VirtualO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,309,"c:\gsak\icons\WebcamO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,310,"c:\gsak\icons\EarthO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,311,"c:\gsak\icons\MM_O.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,312,"c:\gsak\icons\AR_O.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,313,"c:\gsak\icons\SidetO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,314,"c:\gsak\icons\WhereigoO.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,401,"c:\gsak\icons\EventU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,402,"c:\gsak\icons\LetterboxU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,403,"c:\gsak\icons\LocationlessU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,404,"c:\gsak\icons\MicroU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,405,"c:\gsak\icons\MulticacheU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,406,"c:\gsak\icons\TraditionalU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,407,"c:\gsak\icons\UnknownU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,408,"c:\gsak\icons\VirtualU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,409,"c:\gsak\icons\WebcamU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,410,"c:\gsak\icons\EarthU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,411,"c:\gsak\icons\MM_U.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,412,"c:\gsak\icons\AR_U.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,414,"c:\gsak\icons\WhereigoU.bmp" </xsl:text> <xsl:text>IC01,413,"c:\gsak\icons\SidetU.bmp" </xsl:text> 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Not sure if this was all tongue in cheek, but at a camping event there is so much more time and oppertunity to socialise with the other cachers. In the evenings all the cachers tend to congregate for anything from 3 to 8 hours, I think this qualifies as "standing together". Campers (or indeed tenters ) tend not to spend their time in their tents. i suspect it was tongue in cheek! However, I love the idea of micro events! I tried to publish "The UK's First Micro Event" in early June, where the listing stated that I didn't want people to attend it. However, the funny side wasn't seen, and I was told in no uncertain terms, no! C'est la vie!

What angst? Questions, questions, questions. Should we do this, mustn't we do that, this should be allowed, this shouldn't be allowed. Rules, rules, rules. I can't be arsed to be honest. I'm just a simple soul and I just want a simple life. I'm with you - let's work together to lessen the number of rules

Hmm... I thought we had a consensus but after reading that, unless I misunderstand it, I'm not sure we do. I thought the consensus was that it should be up to the event organiser, just as it is with the cache placer, to determine what conditions need to be met to log a find/attend? If it's a camping event then you need to camp (and this implicitly means camp for the night, at least to me); if it's a climb-a-mountain event then you need to climb the mountain (and not by the cog railway, unless the organiser says that's OK). Merely turning up at the campsite in the morning, or driving into the trailhead car park, doesn't do it. The rest of the post I do agree with, though it seems to contradict the bit I quoted . I meant that primarily it should be up to the Event Setter, most of whom are a friendly bunch who'll normally allow you to post an attendance on an event if you make at least a half decent effort I think the bottom line with an event is - from experience : If you enter into the spirit of the event, most setters would allow you to claim an ATTEND. If you turn up on camp and speak to people, the event setter will probably let you log it. If you get 3/4 a way up a hill climb, the event setter will probably let you log it. Please let's not debate the intricacies of every possibility of an event, and whether it would or wouldn't be proper. If you want to, click here, as I feel we may be going OT to discuss "what if" scenarios to the nth degree Less is more. Encourage event setting. Keep it fun, keep it interesting, and keep it challenging

I thought I recognised that landmark!! It's the Mormon Temple at Chorley - you can see it from everywhere, so I wouldn't bother about it being a spoiler Cracking series, the NW Nutters one, Nandad and Team Scorps have hid some sneaky ones on there!

I'm all for less rules. Caching to me is about freedom from rules and everyday hassle, so the less restriction placed, the better. I'm also all for lessening rules on event setters. By saying that you don't have to have a second (ie, pub) past to an event is removing restrictions. What stipulates an Attend is simple. As I'd see it, if you are meant to climb a mountain, then if you do so, it's an Attend. If you are meant to camp, then if you pitch up, it's an Attend. Most event setters would let you post an Attend if you nipped on site and said hi. The whole thing is essentially about removing the baggage and hassle of having to organise two events in one. I don't think it needs to be broke down as you state Attend over the duration of the event (even if for only five minutes over a weekend), at the co-ords, and say hi to the event setter in person, and you should log an ATTEND note. If there are additional requirements, these should be stated in the cache listing. End of! Now, these are all up to the event setter, who, just like a cache setter, can delete a log if someone is taking the proverbial. But this is unrelated as to whether stand-alone camping events are permitted To climb a mountain, you need good legs. To do a 5/5 you need dexterity. To do a tough puzzle cache, you need a good brain. To do a cache on a river, you need a boat. To do a camping event, you need a tent. To do a cache on a pillar in the middle of a river, you need a helicopter. They are all, however, Open To All. Not open-to-all is where the event setter would try to stop, for example, those with over 100 finds attending. A persons physical and fiscal limits do not currently impinge on whether a cache is published or not, hence the "Parking Fee" attribute, for example, and the Terrain rating of a cache. Long may this freedom to have your cache published, and let's extend this freedom to events too, please

A new placer is also needed for the City Of London - please help!

Huge congrats to be one of the select few to have completed the series. The waterproof match container got replaced with a preform... I thought it only fair to write the previous finders names in the log for this one

You think that's bad? I nearly posted this!

I'd recommend Webrat (as we've since had confirmed) send a complaint to the abusers email provider (or website host as Dave mentioned that the email was sent from a website form). Normally you can get past someones attempts to cover their tracks ----> Use something like Visual IP Trace to find out who is hosting the website where the mail came from, then send an email to the host, abuse@ wherever. Ie, abuse@oneandone.co.uk abuse@hotmail.com etc etc. Also, plenty of great info here too, and here. I've used the above tricks before, when 419 baiting Dunno why the thread was closed rather than the offender banned, but hey ho, roll on Sunday

Nice page MrB!

I think that sums it up perfectly The mods came to a decision some time ago that was made entirely in the best interests of caching in this country. However, times and opinions have changed, and perhaps its time for a rethink - what about it guys (and gals)?

It probably won't automatically appear on the Today screen or the Start menu of your PDA, so try clicking Start and looking in Programs.

From my POV its nothing to do with getting a smiley, its respect. Sometimes, despite all the best efforts and intentions, it's just not possible to organise a day event for every camping event. Surely you'll respect that?

It WAS open to all, though, just as a cache up a big hill is, for example. Did the complainant have to be pandered to? To me, it's like me complaining that I couldn't do a Wherigo because I didn't have a suitable device. The answer would quite rightly have been "Tough ****!" or similar The OP, in setting camping events that are open to all, contributes far more than a cacher who chooses not to camp, and decides to complain on that basis! BTW - Nice to have a level discussion here imo, good to see it staying calm, and banding opinions about... discussion is a good thing!