Traditional Bill

GCHJ4R - I thought this was a good example to bring this thread back to light. 8/30 I post a self explanatory NA, minutes later cache is archived, one week later.... Webcam photo taken! Gotta love it....

I would think that the point of doing it is that it is a requirement of logging an earthcache. (Where's that geocaching is full of cheaters guy?) I'd like to think that logging an earthcache is more than just a smiley. If the owner is inactive and I cannot send the answers, I'll still go about the logging task to experience the cache as intended. I may not physically send my answers, but since the point of an earthcache is to take away a geological lesson, I like to make sure that I get that experience whether the CO is active or not.

There's a cacher in my area named "GOcrazy" and I always thought it was just "go crazy" as in..... They were insisting that somebody should go crazy. Silly me, never realized it was actually G (gee) O (oh) crazy, as in..... crazy for geo(caching) until I met them. Doh!

Hey did anyone get a new publication email yet? You can now see the cache owner of newly published caches in the email notification. This is something a lot of us have been asking for..... So there's something to be positive about.

Not sure if anybody got a new publication email yet..... But there is a positive side to this new change. The publication emails now include cache owner name. This is something a lot of us have been asking for. As for the html emails, so far they're not hindering my email on my phone. I actually rather like the html format. Then again, I don't normally filter emails by certain tags like [LOG].....I could see how that could be a pain in the neck for some.

Greetings Northeast! Please mark your calendars for November 15th this year as NJ will be host to MEtroGAthering - GC56TP7. There has yet to be a NY/NJ Metro Area Mega Event and this year the cachers of NJ have finally found a great place to put one together. The event may not go Mega this year, but with already 225+ will attends, it's possible to see this annual event as going Mega next year. If you plan to attend, please post your will attend log! Hope to see everybody there!

Bumping this thread. Please bring back the "distinct" cache count.

My favorite part about that user's profile? Last Visit: Never They've never been to the site, so I'm sure they've never read the guidelines.

I'm with the rest of you guys. Please bring back the distinct count feature!

It's a mystery to me. Perhaps there is something missing here, some insight to be gained somehow. Try viewing it from the other side. Go into a restaurant and order a bite to eat. Not just any restaurant, you'll need to find one that you know you don't like, and order a meal that is your least favorite. Cheerfully eat it, but then when they present you with the bill, say that you don't have time right now to pay it and sit there and play on your iphone. Let several hours go by and even if they are busy, simply tell them that you don't have the time right now. At the end of the night just before they close, try to pay the bill with some counterfeit money. When they object to this, tell them it was your least favorite dish, and you dislike that type of food completely. [][][] What a perfectly hilarious comparison to the situation at hand. It all makes sense to me now.

+1 on this. I also have a webcam cache (the last in my state). Any cache that has requirements (webcam, virtual, challenge, etc) should only be able to be logged once the cacher has met those requirements. If someone does not meet my webcam logging requirements, they get an email, and the log gets deleted. It's good to see a couple of webcam CO's that delete the cachers logs that post "selfies" instead of the required webcam photos. I see that way too often.

Too late, I got a bit hasty and deleted the three obviously phony ones again. I'm just hoping that they don't log them again and that can be the end of it. I have everything saved just in case I need to report it. I agree with you though, 4wf. If they're so silly then why bother posting a phony find and causing trouble? Doesn't make any sense to me. Log deletions have been rare for me, but I did have a persistant guy once (Earthcache) who after having his log deleted, and being told why, logged a 2nd time. That was deleted, and he was told via email that any further logs posted would be reported to Groundspeak, and he had zero chance of them siding with him. He gave up after that. Of course I didn't like the way the whole thing went down, but I had to do what I had to do. I don't know, I guess I think telling them that any further logs posted would be reported, and he had no chance of them siding with him was effective? I didn't threaten to report further logs in my last email, but it seems they finally get that I'm not just joking with them. I most certainly won't hesitate to forward my mountain of evidence to TPTB should they try to post another erroneous find, though.

Too late, I got a bit hasty and deleted the three obviously phony ones again. I'm just hoping that they don't log them again and that can be the end of it. I have everything saved just in case I need to report it. I agree with you though, 4wf. If they're so silly then why bother posting a phony find and causing trouble? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Makes sense, either avoid any further emails or just say "nothing more to say, if you log again without completing the challenge I'll delete it again". I think my best course of action right now is just to delete the logs again and report it if he "re logs" them.... and then hope for the best.

Hmmm...they didn't even TRY. One of those caches they claim for a challenge is a Wherigo a few miles from my house...and they never logged it on the date they claim (which was obviously copy/pasted from the log just below their own). This sort of behavior kind of call into question ALL of their claimed "finds". http://i.imgur.com/ej46E52.png From what I've recently been told, evidently this cacher does this frequently, so I guess I should stop being surprised. Gotta love the appeal of the ever ominous +1.

I would start you book now showing your right in deleting the log. If this persistent person brings it to the attention of the log god at GC.com and you don't have your ducks in a row your liable to get a site wide ban, your email invalidated and all your caches disabled. And then after your ban ends your faced with cleaning up the mess and a locked log you can't delete. I have all of the back n' forth emails saved and it's quite obvious that this cacher doesn't qualify for these. This email I got back from them should do just fine -

So, the cacher in question was quick to re log their smilies after I deleted them, but this time with qualifications. If anybody is following along and has read the find logs on my challenges, you'll see something very strange now. The cacher in question used qualifications from other cachers logs and faked it. So they'll be getting deleted yet again. Here's the email I sent to them -

Okay....6 logs deleted. The others aren't very extreme challenges and involve the titles of caches and I have no doubt that they probably qualify for those. Let's see what happens now!

I share your sentiments exactly and if it was a cacher that I've never met and didn't know, those logs would've been gone immediately. I gave this cacher the benefit of the doubt because I know them and now I'm regretting it. Well...the problem is that people start taking this stuff personally. No matter what folks think about challenges, they are what they are and if the person doesn't meet the requirements of the challenge (or they do but cannot provide evidence), they shouldn't be logging them "found". Two and a half weeks is plenty. You can give them a full 30 days, but I suspect this person won't bother doing the work until they are forced to (i.e., deleted logs). If something like that actually makes them angry, they probably are taking it all a bit too seriously and perhaps you are better off not worrying what someone like that thinks anyway. Yeah, from what I'm told, this is a cacher that takes their +1s pretty seriously (although not seriously enough,Hm?). I've discussed the issue with a few local cachers who are more familiar with this person than I am. They seem to think I should just let it go. As I said in an earlier response on here though, I'll most definitely be deleting those logs later today when I "find time"(LOL) to do it. I'm interested to see what the backlash will be.

I share your sentiments exactly and if it was a cacher that I've never met and didn't know, those logs would've been gone immediately. I gave this cacher the benefit of the doubt because I know them and now I'm regretting it.

I honestly believe the "I don't have time" thing isn't the issue. I believe it's that they don't qualify and don't want to lose their +1s. Now that you mention that though, I should tell them that in lieu of challenge requirements they should take a picture with a funny hat instead. :-D

I've had this situation as well and it's normally not a problem. What makes this particular situation unique is that I know this cacher personally and there's currently no bad blood between us.

It's easy to worry about this vague concept of "avoiding conflict" but really what conflict is there to avoid? Your challenge says you have to qualify in a certain way, someone logged it without qualifying, therefore their log needs to be deleted. End of. If they take offence it's their problem rather than your problem. Would we be having this discussion if someone had claimed a find on a 5/5 cache based on the fact they had walked past the general area and figured that was close enough? On a related note, if next door's children kicked a ball through your window would you worry about avoiding conflict, or would you expect either they (or more likely their parents) replaced the broken window? Quite well put. I think I've made the decision to just delete the logs and be done with it. I just have a feeling that it's going to cause some drama that I don't want to deal with, but I agree that the right thing to do is to just purge the logs. I plan to delete them today so I'll let everybody know how that goes.

I really appreciate all of the advice coming from everybody. It seems most of us share the same opinion on this. Has anyone had to delete logs from somebody they actually knew? Did it create any problems? I want to preserve the integrity of my challenge logs more than anything, but I also want to avoid local conflict. I suppose I may not be able to do both however I am leaning closer to deleting the logs after reading some responses. I really had no idea. I thought for sure that the wannabe series started in Md. Thank you for bringing it to my attention though, I'll certainly look into it so my cache descriptions are accurate.

First off, there's already been discussion in these forums about claiming a find on a challenge cache. Some folks believe you should be able to log it as found and then post that you qualify later, some see it differently. Either way, that discussion has been had and doesn't need to be recreated here. The fact remains that under the current guidelines, cachers cannot claim challenge caches as found unless they qualify for the attached challenge and can prove their qualification, regardless of the fact that they technically already found the cache. Okay.... With that being said, here's my "what would you do" situation. I own 11 challenge caches on the western coast of Jersey. Recently, one of the neighboring States more prolific cachers whom I have no problems with (and don't want any) and have had nothing but pleasant contact with in the past, came through the area and found every one of my challenge caches. I have no problem with that, I want them to get found. The issue is that this cacher logged every one of them as "found". They posted qualifications for only one challenge and most obviously does not qualify for at least two of the others. I've sent multiple messages stating kindly that if they cannot provide their qualifications within the next couple of weeks than to please change the finds to notes. I was met with no opposition and the cacher in question continues to state that they "haven't had time". Well, it's been two and a half weeks now and I'm at a crossroads with how to proceed. I understand the "I don't have time" notion, as sometimes it will be weeks before I get around to logging my finds. But how long do you wait to send/post information for a challenge or earthcache/virtual for that matter? As far as I see it, if you have time to log all of your +1s, then you have time to send the required information along with your find. Right or wrong? Anyway, what would you do? Do you send yet another friendly reminder and give another deadline? Do you send a note letting the cacher know you'll be deleting their finds? Or do you just delete the finds and deal with whatever happens thereafter? I've deleted logs before where cachers didn't send info and they either send the information and re post, or let the +1 go. I have not yet had to deal with this specific situation yet though where I'm quite familiar with and know the cacher in question. I know some of you will do some digging, look at my caches and find out who the cacher in question is. That's okay, but please don't put any names or anything on here. I'm not trying to put them on blast, I'm just looking for some opinions.