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36 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:
I'd assume that a search for caches findable by a wheelchair bound user would be retrieved by searching with the attribute and T1 (maybe 1.5) and no more.
I might add a second layer of higher T caches with the attribute in just those cases that maybe it's just a looooong hike to get there on a relatively smooth trail, and the cache is still retrievable by wheelchair; but it could also include caches that are up in a tree next to a park sidewalk for which I'd ask a friend to come.
There are various interpretations of this, and the fact that the attribute can be applied to higher T directly implies that wheelchair-accessible doesn't always mean "cache is retrievable from a wheelchair".
Sorry, but this already has been answered by a lackey in this thread as far as I remember and the answer was: Wheelchair icon CLEARLY says that the cacher don't need any help to grab the cache in the end.
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3 hours ago, IceColdUK said:
When I submitted a mystery cache a couple of years ago, I persuaded my local reviewer to allow fractionally more than 2 miles between the posted coords and the final. (The posted coords provided a subtle clue to the puzzle.)
I would guess there are many existing (older) caches that are considerably more than 2 miles from their posted coordinates.
What was a guideline, is now being strictly enforced by the code, even for these existing caches. I've just tried to update my listing (simply to change the hint), but cannot save the change: Final coordinates are more than 3.2 km from the Posted Coordinates.
Is there any way round this?
I also already was requesting a change here as I still believe this is complete nonsense (sorry that for
), BUT the official decision made was that this simply is as it should be! Final answer regarding that came from Frau Potter.
The fun thing is that it would be ok to have the first stage being away 1000s of miles but not the final itself. Don't know if this fact might help you... -
7 hours ago, MartyBartfast said:
I hesitate to reply as it's going off topic and I don't really care but....
I've been to a couple of events at the "Hyde Park Winter Wonderland" in London, which were held in the Bavarian Beer hall, which is a large hall full of trestle tables and somewhere between 1,000-2,000 people. Because I know the regular faces to look out for I found the events with only slight difficulty, many people took ages to find them, and some never did... Those events had higher D rarings.
Just sayin
As far as I understand such an event shouldn't have been published as you're not allowed to have an event at an official event anyways. So no issue
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11 hours ago, Gill & Tony said:
I realise, now, that my example was flawed, but what I was trying to achieve was triggered by my Mother-in-Law. Many years ago she was forced to use a wheelchair for the last several years of her life and we used to go on day trips with her. If we went to the seaside, the kids and some of the adults would go swimming while other adults stayed on the boardwalk with her. There was no caching back then, but rolling the situation forward to today, it would be nice for someone in a similar situation to be able to plan a day trip where they could take the wheelchair and some of the group could find some caches on the way.
I had envisaged using the T rating to define the cache and the attribute to show that a wheelchair could accompany the party. In the same way that "Stroller Accessible" means you can push a stroller there, not that the child in the stroller can reach the cache. That, I now know isn't the way HQ intend the attribute to be used, but I still think it would be a good feature to have. Maybe expand the meaning of the Stroller attribute to include wheelchairs, prams etc.
No worries. Just think about wheel chair users who cache on their own. Wouldn't make sense to set that attribute then, would it? The stroller attribute might already show them they can at least join others but might not necessarily be able to get the cache by themselves.
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11 hours ago, Moun10Bike said:
Okay, but y'all are doing it wrong, and you still owe me a steak!
I don't care that I'm doing wrong as this probably is the common understanding of rating over here. And regarding the steak... I just booked my flight some hours ago! Will be in Seattle 1st weekend of March (Fr-Mo)!
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13 hours ago, niraD said:
It sounds like the adventure you described (starting with "descend on a rope" and ending with "crawl into a narrow tunnel") is part of the "Physical effort needed to arrive at coordinates." As such, it affects the terrain rating, not the difficulty rating.
It sounds like the "Effort needed to solve and find the cache and logbook at GZ" is pretty minimal, assuming that the end of the "narrow tunnel" is GZ, and assuming that it really is "absolutely clear where the box is" once I get there. As such, that sounds like a D1.
Ok, I see. Completely different understanding of ratings
Over here we simply like to differentiate the difficulty of a T5 cache compared to others. Noone here would rate my cache a D1/T5. Never ever A D1/T5 would be a cache hanging in a tree at about 4m where you only need to use a ladder. And some people here even don't rate this kind of cache a T5 at all as they say, a ladder isn't exactly a that special tool at all.
So I understand that we see it completely different and I also understand that we still do it our way as long as possible -
1 hour ago, niraD said:
A box in plain sight sounds like the perfect example of a D1 cache to me. (And yes, I have tripped over such a cache before, much to the amusement of my geocaching companions at the time.)
Ok, different example... Once I had a cache in an old WWII bunker. You first needed to descend on a rope into a dark hole, some 8m down. In there you needed to climb to the 2nd floor. Telescope ladder helped
Then you needed to enter the next room through a hole in the wall about 2,5m up, 2nd hole slightly lower the right side of it. After that descend back to the first floor. 4m down, rope again.
Finally crawl into a narrow tunnel with the cache on its end. It was absolutely clear where the box is. Still just D1 for you? I hope not -
On 22.11.2017 at 11:25 PM, niraD said:
I would hope that the algorithm is robust enough that it takes negative logs into account, even if the CO deletes them. The owner can still post armchair OM logs, but simply sweeping the negative logs under the rug by deleting them should not work.
Of course, that begs the question of whether DNF logs should be considered negative logs...
I don't log any more DNFs
I don't like that the caches I logged a DNF for are shown differently on the map now. That's why And I also don't exactly like this CHS. Just went to 2 hard core caches that will get LOADS of DNFs in the future as the caches are so hard to find. Not sure if the system is capable to understand that...
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10 minutes ago, ChileHead said:
But that's still terrain. Terrain is how you get there. Difficulty is how hard is it to find it once you are at GZ.
As I already said, over here we used the system way different then. And we still do! With all the "normal" caches
I would never ever rate that 5 miles off cache a D1 even if the box would be in plain sight. But that might be different in different countries. Anyways, as I'm not the one to decide I can only comment what I think about it!
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8 minutes ago, Moun10Bike said:
Yes, absolutely still a D1. The challenge is in getting 5 miles offshore in the ocean, which is entirely T. Only if a difficult puzzle was required to determine where the event was being held (not permissible by the guidelines) or the attendees were all invisible and the seeker had to try and find them would it warrant bumping up the D.
Ok, tough luck for me then as I still see it different to the/your official view
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6 minutes ago, Moun10Bike said:
Absolutely. You are describing the T rating, not the D rating.
I know what you mean, but at least over here we also use the D rating to distinguish the difficulty to reach the spot itself. Like D1/T5 ladder cache or a D3/4/5 where you need to use a rope plus more to get up a 100ft tree. Same would work for events in my eyes. Using a boat on a lake to meet at an island pretty sure is D1/T5. Same event in the ocean 5 miles off the shore? Still D1?
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15 minutes ago, thebruce0 said:
If that were true, then the attribute should not be available for T1.5+ rated listings, but it is, so, the alternate interpretation is also valid.
You're wrong
You missed the caches that have many stages and longer distances in between. They have also higher T ratings just that for!
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8 hours ago, BlueRajah said:
It should never be difficult to find an event. They are open to all at the coords.
So there should not be an event with a D5, or challenges that require it. In my opinion.
What about events that are REALLY tough to reach. Like on a high mountain? Lots of equipment needed, tough weather condition? Still just D1 in your eyes?
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20 hours ago, Gill & Tony said:
Some time ago I tried to submit a cache with T1.5 and the wheelchair attribute but my reviewer disallowed it. The situation was a flat accessible path to GZ, but the cache was 6ft off the ground.
Does this change mean that the wheelchair attribute can now be added to higher terrain caches? T4 + Wheelchair attribute for a flat accessible path to the base of a tree with a T4 climb to the cache?
If so, that is great!
This isn't exactly what I would understand as wheelchair accessible. How should this person get the cache then? Most of the caches would be accessible then... I would more think about a loooooooooong multi, that according to the tool would be a T2/T3/T4, but still might work for wheelchair cachers including the final.
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On 5.12.2017 at 11:55 PM, barefootjeff said:
Except I've never seen a PET preform in this country (Australia) and have no idea how big one is. Whatever description is used, it has to be something easily recognised globally. I prefer the definitions in litres as they're unambiguous, but then I live in a metric country and have a good intuitive feel of how big a litre is.
Over here (Germany) they are more than common and you find them everywhere. Smallest are about 30ml and my biggest is about 350ml, I would guess. Most usual sizes here all are below 100ml, but compared to a film canister they seem to be big, so quite some use "small" as their size which isn't correct.
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5 hours ago, Touchstone said:
I would assume not, for the same reasons outlined previously. The usual test for this portion of the Guidelines is to ask the question, would the Oktoberfest festivities still take place in the absence of a geocaching event?
Sure it would
But isn't the Oktoberfest something the Americans call a fair, too!? Or does "fair" this time just mean "trade show"?
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5 minutes ago, TriciaG said:
"If an event is already organized outside of the geocaching community or it will happen without a Geocaching.com listing, it is likely not an Event Cache. Examples include concerts, fairs, sporting and scouting events." https://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#event
Ok, so in the case of the airshow it would be the question if this considered being either a fair or a sporting event. And btw: As "fair" has at least 2 different meanings... Would an event at our Oktoberfest work!?
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11 hours ago, Touchstone said:
Quite the contrary. Your premise is erroneous. Air travel by number of passengers in the U.S. far exceeds several countries combined (nearly double the second place contender, China):
So quite the contrary in this particular situation. I believe that Groundspeak is perfectly justified in giving this portion of the Guidelines a more American emphasis.
Sorry, but in a worldwide perspective the US STILL is the minority
Yes, they might have the highest number pf passengers in a single country but if you add all the others in the world it still would just be a fraction of them! So if everybody would vote against that, US would lose!
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2 hours ago, on4bam said:
Don't forget that even with "airports" you don't have to think only JFK/ORD/LHR but smaller airport too. I think that an event in OST (IATA code) (ICAO=EBOS) would't even be a bad location. Easy to get to, plenty of parking, cheap food/drink. The airport restaurant is even used a lot by (mostly older) tourists/locals alike because of the democratic prices and panoramic runway view. EBKT is even smaller also has a panoramic viewing area and upstairs restaurant/café with outside viewing terrace. It's all open to the public.
What about having an event during an airshow?
Restricting events in secure areas is a no-brainer but any public accessible area should be no problem.
You're completely right regarding the open areas but the airshow (side) event anyways would not be allowed at all! No events as side events to already existing non geocaching events...
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3 hours ago, terratin said:
Well, lets be honest, having lived in a country where there were no caches near the airport and transit passengers would quite often get a voa to just host an event outside the airport (and usually during working hours), and nobody would show up because it was too far out of town I can understand this rule. I mean, it's clear that these events only served the purpose of scoring another 'country point' and not of meeting other cachers.
That's just one side of the medal... Here in Germany we even just had a MEGA event that took place on an airport field. And we also do have many of these events in the airports that definitely attract more than just the owner. I don't say you're wrong, ok? But prohibiting these in general can't be the right way in my eyes. It's too extreme!
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1 hour ago, Touchstone said:
No, actually they don't. They need to be flexible, otherwise it becomes a game of catch up. One day we're hiding caches under lamp post skirts in Walmart, then Boom! Security tells to get the heck out of Dodge. It's actually meaningless to be precise, and a waste of time. Flexibility allows the game to continue to evolve naturally. Putting on undue constraints based on a handful of incidents is idiotic....well, unless we're talking about Homeland Security, then a knee jerk reaction might be appropriate
Hmm, not sure if you got me correctly. At the moment the guidelines say "NO event at an airport!". So please, how should anyone know that this simply isn't the fact? That's what I meant with being precise! And guess what: Our local community right away started complaining exactly because of that part... So what's wrong with "...within security relevant areas". Still not completely precise but way better than the actual statement.
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39 minutes ago, Touchstone said:
I'm guessing that your local Reviewers are well aware of this, and are probably aware of the restrictions in the U.S in our post 9/11 world. Just an FYI, since you don't appear to understand the nuance, in the U.S., only ticketed passengers can get beyond a certain point in most domestic airline terminals. Unfortunately, for most airports I've been to in the U.S., most of the food venues are inside this secure area, hence, I think the Guideline clarification spells out pretty clearly that inside the terminal area, you won't be allowed to have an Event.
I suspect that not much has changed for the majority of Events, and all this hand wringing will be for not.
Sorry, but it ABSOLUTELY DOESN'T
It must be tough to write it as precisely as needed. At the moment the pure text doesn't make any difference. And guess what, a reviewer could easily say: "Hey, not at this place in the airport" even if it's accessible for everyone. That's exactly why all of us the moment are complaining.
I for sure understand that an event in security areas shouldn't be allowed. But that for just write the guidelines that way and everyone else also understands it that way! Otherwise the guidelines aren't worth the paper they are written on if you need to know what people THOUGHT when they wrote them. They need to precise!-
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4 hours ago, Keystone said:
I wouldn't obsess over the word "near." To help posters who are nervous about that, consider one of the goals of the guideline: the event should take place at a location where local geocachers will find it convenient (and free) to attend. The event cannot be just for cruise participants, people who happen to be connecting to another flight in Terminal C, etc.
Here in Munich (as well as many other places around) this would easily include the airports and train stations as they are easily accessible for everyone. Free anyways
So what to do now? Ignore that rule in Germany as it doesn't make any sense over here?
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6 hours ago, arisoft said:
Don't organize event far from home.
- Vacation/holiday events are usually not published because they are difficult to organize in advance. It's best to organize events in your area so you can respond quickly to emerging needs. In rare circumstances a vacation event with an acceptable event plan might be published.
Just learned from a lackey yesterday that quite many HQ visitors place an event in the surrounding of the HQ when they plan to visit Seattle. She was perfectly fine with that as it allows her to meet people from abroad...
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Over here we simply like to differentiate the difficulty of a T5 cache compared to others. Noone here would rate my cache a D1/T5. Never ever
Release Notes (Website: Solution Checker) - October 19, 2017
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This only works for a single stage myst. Mine are different and I not always directly send the cacher to the final but to some other stage(s) first. That's why I couldn't use the new checker at the moment.