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That is good news!

Hmmmm...intersting. I have found several cenetary caches lately, including one that was posted and approved yesterday. The cache in right in the middle of an old cemetary, with headstones just a few feet in every direction. Also of note, I have another thread here asking about caches placed on posted private property. Most cachers are stating there that unless it is posted "No Trespassing", then the area if free game for cache hiding and hunting..."Private Property" is meaningless. http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=162004 I think you just set a record for the distance jumped to reach your conclusion. LOL, I agree. If you can't answer, just run people round in circles... Would it have been to much trouble to just type the answer as opposed to this response? Scenario: I live in South Carolina and I can not use the information on a headstone as part of a multicache or hide a cache in a cemetery. I can however list it as a Waymark, and request waymarkers provide an image with their visit. Questions: What's the difference? Isn't geocaching more respectful than the Waymark? The SC Reps aren't going to seperate geocaching from Waymarking. The concept of the bill even included letterboxing. So...is there a policy against cemetery hides? and...is it possible for this question to be answered with a yes or no? It really is easier to type yes or no than provide sidestepping links.

A new cacher came to a meeting we had in Anderson SC. He came armed with a new GPS and wasn't familiar with its operation. There was a magnetic key container under a light pole in the parking lot, so we showed him how to enter his coords and let him find it. He thought it was great! The first time someone finds a skirtlifter, they are amused. Now I agree, after several it gets old however, it was a clever hide for a newbie in that paticular setting. It is a good basic "Think outside the box" lesson. I have removed all my caches in that category and don't have future plans on placing any like that. Now agree or disagree, they are the cache of choice for most new hiders and seekers and they are here to stay. We are slowly becoming the Soccer mom/dad geocaching place... EDIT: I take back the statement about removing all my skirtlifter and magnet caches. I left one skirtlifting multi in place that actually has a DNF and I have had 1 email for a hint and a phone a friend on this cache. The purpose of this cache was to teach cachers to think outside the box and it appears to be doing it's job. You can make a cache entertaing, even an urban cache.

Observation: If it isn't about the numbers, and it has been stated that number of finds doesn't equal a good cacher, then why would you reference the CC Cooper agency as a gauge in which you would judge a DNF by? Because you know they have experience by their numbers? ALL of the geocaching sites have some sort of number system. I am actually surprised that TC has a Scoring system given it is a "Quality Cache Site". ...but anyway, nice Freudian slip

Ditto to Brett&Citty's reply. The cache placement is a bit more difficult in SC. Some days I feel like a cache run, and some days I just feel like one good cache. I like having choices. I have been cultivating a distaste for the magnet cache here lately and archived every cache I had that fell into that category.

That's not a problem of Waymarks, per se, that's a control issue Groundspeak and the Reviewer community have yet to work out! That's why I dropped my Waymark category and haven't returned to the site - I have no desire to play games where the Reviewers decide what I can and can't find interest in. As long as they want to control categories it's of no interest to me... it is an extension of the control they tried to exert on virts called a WOW factor... didn't work then, won't work now, no matter what you try to call it! So far Waymarking is pretty much a Reviewer game. Maybe one day it will be a Geocacher game. Ed So you didn't like it because they didn't want to play your way? Quit Whining! Pot meet kettle... I am actually going to give it a try, kick the tires a little...

You know...I really can get on board with some of the Waymarks I have discovered in interesting categories that compare and are even better than some Virtuals that used to be listed on this site. My beef, pun intended, is how they went for the fast food restaurants and I guess what I would consider a waste of dataspace. It gave WM a stigma that will be difficult to overcome. Before I get this response again, I know I can filter out those Waymarks. The point is that they are there, and that is why it becomes the center of attention for Waymarking non-supporters. "The Burger Hunters" Now there is a discussion on WM about not including anymore FF Restaurants. Might be difficult to justify why you allowed McDonalds to be a Waymark and won't vote for Jack in the Box. Burger Wars, sounds like a good video idea. I took a hard line oposition to the Waymarking discussion, but I actually see some value in it. When a topic like this comes up, you can count on several members of "Geohall" to step in and give the "Its all great in the Merry old land of OZ!" posts. If the new game was going to the bathroom in a flower pot, they would all agree it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. That being said, do you think any of them would admit that the 'Burger" waymarks are a little silly? maybe just a little? Anyhow, I wanted to convey the other end of the spectrum that would probably not be told. I have received quite a few emails with video scripts and ideas for funny Waymarking, and for that I truly do say, Thanks! I don't have a cinematography career in mind, but thanks for the show of support, Now I can understand why it is not a good idea to post against geohall.

I have to take my Highway Micros down after the first of the year, there is a new maint. engineer over those counties. You know I really have grown to hate those things. At least there was something to find lol. With the micro gone it might make a good Waymark! The Skinny: I did find some very good Waymarks put out by gpsblake and others. I will, without the sarcastic hint in the post, take the advice of the Waymark supporters. I can play the Virtual game at Waymarking.com or I can go somewhere else. The videos look like fun and I found what I need to satisfy my need for virtuals, so thanks. I really didn't go out of my way to make the video. The whole trip took 15 minutes and the editing about 10. Gone Filming!

I can understand this. I didn't quite finish my second attempt at a Waymark today. I got past the plastic pool of death balls, and made it up the the killer net ladder, but alas there were all these short people plugging up the tunnel of terror. I will have to try this one when I am prepared to battle my way to the double yellow rainbow. Its going to make a great video! I'll check with the managers and see if they gave permission to list their restaurants on Waymarking before I publish the film. Do I need permission from the restaurants to publish the image that meet the requirements on Waymarking? Could be a problem huh? I am not using Groundspeaks logo or name, I changed it just a wee bit. I also promise to start listing these "Quality Locations"

Its just so darn exciting! I am looking forward to those wonderful meals!

I am so glad we have Waymarking to fill that void. I am going to try to do TWO in one day. Maybe even start a new video series?

Yes, and you can write letters to the editor until you get carpel tunnel about how you want your NEWSpaper to also publish short stories in the sunday edition, and how if they don't you are going to stop subscribing. That doesn't mean they have to do it, or even respond to you. To carry the analogy further, in this case the paper responded by creating a fiction magazine and offering that for sale on the newstand along side their newspaper. Mopar's right. Having worked for a large-city newspaper for about 20 years, I constantly heard people say they would cancel their subscriptions due to a certain columnist or editorial stance. I also recall how the editors and circulation department would laugh when subscription numbers remained steady or even rose during such periods. In the newspaper world, controversy sells, and the number of people who actually do cancel is a small percentage. again is this FOR keeping Virtuals? I am sure the paper didn't remove the column or change its stance. It was there if you wanted to read it. How about the geoworld? If controversy sells, then maybe we are helping people discover the wonderful world of Waymarking! I have been Waymarking and I am sold on it!

You are correct! Waymarking is the way to go. I don't know what came over me...

First, dang those Gamecocks! Second, is this an argument for keeping Virtuals? Because even if I don't want to read a paticular section of the paper, it's still there for those who do. It wasn't sold to another Newspaper...

Ok Ok, maybe I was a little quick to jump on this thread. I noticed one of the moderators went over and checked it out and is going to get involved, so I should at least field test it. Several moderators wouldn't jump on thread to defend geohall without making up their own mind...would they? I loaded up the GPS with the closest Waymark and went exploring. I was surprised at what I found. Of course I was a bit sarcastic at first however, after taking this short trip I think I have learned to field test these things first. Thanks for the great experience. My First Waymark!

Really? Do you really think because you buy gas at the corner station every week you get to tell the station owner how to run his business? Do you tell the supermarket what food they have to carry? Do you tell your accountant what size tax return you demand? Yes, you have a way of providing input; if you don't like a product or service, dont use it. That's the way a free-market economy works. If most people like my product/service I make a profit. If people dont I go bankrupt and out of business. From all appearances Groundspeak is quite successful. Seems like they have a pretty good grasp of what the market (not just a small percentage of people) wants. How bout this. I get the newspaper every Sunday. If I don't get it, I don't pay for it. Yes I SHOULD have input if I pay for a service. If you go to your local meetings and ask the cachers their thoughts on Waymarking, you may find you are the minority. I don't like Waymarking so I don't use it, i can find a hamburger without a GPS.

Oh they are fine, evrything is wonderful here in the land of OZ! This topic is being...discussed? in another thread if you want to check it out. Cahe On! http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=150401

I like this option. Waymarking does have its pros. It is a good training ground for new geocachers. Once they learn how to use their equipment and navigate to a location, they can graduate to finding an object smaller than a building and logging their find. ...wheres that milkshake?

The first 25 Waymarks that appear near my home coords are anywhere from 2weeks to several months old and have 0 finders. A Virtual Geocache placed in this radius would have had a visit in the first 24 hours. It looks like the Waymarkers are trying to locate every twig and blade of grass possible, but few are actually finding them compared to the number claiming the location. It is a numbers game to them in regrads to claiming. Why don't more Waymarkers start playing this game? Why should I start playing it? I have discovered a place where Virtuals can still be hidden. I would be more inclined to hide and seek there then Waymarking. It may have appealed to me more if there was more "Quality" in the locations. There are some Waymarkers who have listed interesting waymarks, but right from the start the fast food restaurants and silly locations are dominating this area. Ok lets see, thats a number 2 value meal, supersized, with a cola and a Waymark...pull around to the first window please... Note: If I filter out the Fast food joints, I have to travel a good distance to find a Waymark of any value, but its not worth the gas. I can get a value meal! or buy this nifty new shirt Nifty Shirt

Hi! Welcome to Waymarking... would you like an apple pie with that?

Thnaks CR for stepping in. You are more versed on this topic. The Waymarking site, it's ease of listing these finds, and the cemetery finds with the image requirements scare me. I appreciate the work you folks put into defending geocaching.

A quick question about this topic. Virtuals are not coming back to GC. Do you believe Waymarking is good alternative for these types of finds including the cemetery finds? No rebuttle from me, this is your opinion and I can live with it.

That works for me! I apologize for the rant, I got us way off topic. This should be food for thought not a soapbox. Please forgive my hard head.

Not the USCGA leader, I just host a portion of the website

--I still don't view this as a good reason to bring back virtuals. I found some virtuals before the switch and liked them, but I prefer the waymark listings. In my opinion, that's where they best fit and it allows for more variety. They are especially helpful on trips, from libraries to theaters and yes, even fast-food restaurants, often providing more detail/reviews than a local phone book. If you don't like what they list in your area, make them better by creating your own. Follow Lep's advice. --In reference to the SC issue, you can find hundreds, if not thousands, of posts on that subject over a matter of months during the last two years by performing a search of this forum. Most longtime forumites are very aware of it. As I recall, the legislators were also aware of the forum discussion. Personally, I'm not sure that geocaching and Waymarking would be viewed as the same thing even if a waymarker did something stupid, but I realize there's the Groundspeak connection and could be wrong. Perhaps it would be a good idea to avoid it in SC, at least for now. However, I'd also like to hear the view of someone with legal experience and background knowledge of the SC issue like CoyoteRed or another of the SC cachers. Right now, I concur with Ambrosia, they're not banning Waymarking as it's defined. CR is a good source of info on this topic. Do you use a GPS to waymark? Do you gather information from that location? It would be against the law to even gather information from a plaque using a GPS playing a game. Example: You are holding a GPS and gathering information from a plaque at the battery in Charleston. A police officer questions what you are doing. Hi, I am a waymarker using my GPS and gathering information for a historical find. Do you think he is going to understand the difernce between Waymarking and geocaching? His only concern would be...you have a GPS and you are playing a GPS game for which you would get a fine. That sounds silly, but that is the way the bill is worded. From the bill (2) 'Geocaching' means the activity of participants using a global positioning system (GPS) device to locate the geocache or another specific location that contains information on the geocache.