eelsid

Oh okay I get it now! GPS laws in Russia are like speeding laws in the US! Here even though driving over the speed limit is illegal, they sell detectors at the store that let you detect the cops before they detect you and "everybody" speeds. Okay I guess the difference is that here you get a $100 fine and in Russia you get 10-20 years (at least according to the State Department)...

Congratulations to Centris for becoming number one bug grabber with 250 bugs! MNGCA Be on the lookout for the Princess Bug Bunny bthomas, FEATHERS and WaldenRun!

Here's a Wired news article from 10/01 on the topic: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47739,00.html

Just a point of clarification: quote:Originally posted by Renegade Knight: If I owned the cache though I'd delete the note requesting the other logs be deleted. I changed that log yesterday so it is just asking the person who placed the log to edit it and make it a note (I've already spoken with him, he thinks it's a find, we agreed to disagree, end of discussion.) I don't want to delete the post because it is a "cache should be archived" post, and if the cache is not allowed in the park, it really should be archived. The cache owner can delete logs, but not edit them and turn them to notes. A general point of clarification (not related to any specific post): My purpose in starting this thread was just to point out something that jumped out at me and to use that example to start a discussion on what people think a valid find is. If you don't think it's worth discussing, then fine no one is requiring you to join the discussion. This is an open forum, anyone is free to contribute per the rules outlined by the admins, but all I ask is that you keep it on topic and civil. Please don't assume you know something about myself or any other user and start name calling and making accusations. Thanks, EelSid

After mulling it over I would agree that asking to remove the logs was a little harsh. I changed my log so that it is just asking to edit the logs to notes or "couldn't find it" logs. I also agree that if I find the plundered remains of a cache, that counts as a find. I've done it a couple times myself. I still disagree though that finding a note where a cache was is technically a find, since there is no part of what makes up a "geocache" at the site, just something in its place. If someone removes a geocache and builds a house in its place, and I find the house, does that count as a find? I'm sure the ranger wouldn't see it as a find, considering he/she is the one that took the cache specifically so people would stop finding it!

I didn't start this thread with the intention of discussing the topic of "cache police". I only posted on the page to remove the "found it" logs after kindly asking the poster to change them to notes or "couldn't find it" logs. After he declined I posted that they should be removed, since the cache owner can't edit the logs and make them notes, and I don't feel they are finds. I left it at that. I'm not asking any more of either the cache owner or the person who logged the finds to change the logs, I respectfully disagree with the way they were logged, but it's their prerogative to change them if they wish. Please leave this thread to the discussion of whether you consider these to be valid finds. I won't respond to any more posts accusing me of being "cache police" or a stickler, since that was not my intent in starting this discussion. Thanks, EelSid

When someone goes to a cache site, and instead of finding the cache, finds a note from the park ranger stating "It is illegal to abandon property on a National Wildlife Refuge" does this count as a find? Note the following four caches: Monkey Man End of the Road Niche Cache View of Rice Lake I've been discussing this with the person who logged these as finds and he is saying that because he finds caches all the time that are just a log and a pencil this should be one too, since there is a "log" there (meaning the note from the ranger). But since there is no pencil, nor container (other than the plastic bag) nor did he even sign the "log", how can this be a find? Not to mention that by his logic then anytime a cacher finds a piece of paper near where they think a cache is supposed to be they can sign it and log the find. "Gee you know at first I thought it was just litter, I mean it really looked like a page from the Target ad, but since it must be where the cache should be I signed it and posted a find!" I'm not trying to be a stickler about it, I could really care less whether he deletes his logs, I'm just wondering where others stand on this type of situation.