SUp3rFM & Cruella

João, efectivamente, não te resta outra alternativa, senão a alteração para tradicional, sendo que a foto com o senhor deva ser só uma sugestão.

Signal? Thanks for the cointest!

Let's not focus entirely on the FTF hounds... We have a cache (GCTYTF - Dress Code [Lisboa]) set on a garden. It was done with the help of the management. We presented geocaching to them and since them, they've been following all the activity - registered a user to get the logs, etc. We've done everything by the book. So far, things have been going great. Lots of nice caches and a very nice feedback from the management. I'd HATE to see some logs of geocachers bragging on how they found the cache at night, on closing days, how they managed to pass by security, etc. It doesn't feel right. I'm in that argument of "something has to be done". EDIT: to add some details.

Go ahead! I'm sure you'd get plenty of interested.

Don't think there is, besides that one. Ours is in the key chain, along with the keys of our Land Rover Discovery II.

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This is one of the most interesting threads I've read in a while. Supposedly, an owner sets up a cache in a park. He works it out with the park management and gets permission to place it. He has a lot of work explaining what geocaching is all about and how the park will get more credit by visiting geocachers with their families. The park has opening hours, fenced area, etc. He clearly states that in the cache description. Some geocachers decide to discard all that information and find the cache after closing hours. Besides mentioning (in the log) that they went after closing time, the park management calls the owner and says the fence is bent, the seedbeds are all messed up, etc, etc. So, facts: - Owner sets up cache with the ok from the management - Owner warns about opening hours - Geocachers ignore the informatio - Geocachers destroy "something" in the way to the cache - Those geocachers signed the logbook - Those geocachers logged the cache online expressing that they did things in a "different" way. - Park management call the owner, shows the damage, and decides to back off, asking the owner to remove the cache. - Cache gets archived. Ok, this is probably a worst case scenario. Still, in this line of events, think the owner, fellow geocachers that go by the book and geocaching gets hurt in this situation. By allowing finds of those geocachers that ignore things like that and damage the area, ain't a way to say "it's ok, log at will. After all, you found and signed the logbook."? If they keep finding caches like that and all the owners allow the smileys, how will they ever know it's wrong? By the messages from the owners ("Hey, you found the cache but you trashed the rose garden. Maybe it's because you went there at 2a.m. Please don't do it")? Deleting the logs will, in my opinion, encourage them to stop.

Acho que se aposta um pouco na "auto-regulação" da comunidade, para o bem e para o mal. A notificação das novas guidelines deve sair no mail semanal da GSP. Os reviewers também estão atentos... e os geocachers ainda mais. Eu antevejo alguns problemas que só serão resolvidos com a intervenção do reviewer. Espero que não se concretize. O Filipe, por exemplo, já alterou a sua mistério com ALR para uma tradicional. Outros seguirão... Ou não.

Com esta lista, pretende-se ajudar quem queria optimizar as Pocket Query com todas as caches publicadas e activas de Portugal. O trabalho de optimização será regular. Qualquer um pode participar! Para criarem as PQs, basta indicar o país (Portugal) e as datas de publicação conforme abaixo indicado. Todas as outras opções ficam como estão inicialmente, sem qualquer alteração. Actualizado no último post Divirtam-se.

Manuel, creio que não terás lido com profundidade. Repara: Nesses tipos de caches, tudo fica como está. A alteração incide sobre caches físicas com ALRs, listadas com esse propósito.

Estou a responder ao meu post. Concordo com as alterações. Alguns dos requisitos estão, na minha opinião, completamente fora do que é o geocaching. Por outro lado, alguns owners faziam "finca-pé" sobre os mesmos... Agora, não só se acabou os requisitos como a possibilidade do owner apagar o log baseado no não-cumprimento desse mesmo requisito. Estão a devolver o "jogo", na minha opinião. Veremos é se os owners mudam a bem as suas caches com ARLs. Não sei porquê, mas acho que vai dar molho.

Well, think this is a good change. Some caches with ALR were far out from geocaching. So, well done. I do believe that the "no grandfathering" issue maybe will raise some problems. Example: Owners that "refuse" to change, geocachers submitting SBA, etc. Hope everything works out fine. Nice job, GSP.

A Groundspeak anunciou alterações importantes às guidelines para publicação de novas caches, em particular, aquelas que necessitam de algo mais para reclamar o found. Vejam em: http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=218388 Ainda estou a ler para formar opinião.

Esta só pode ter escapado ao olho rigoroso do reviewer:

Eu deixaria, claro. Já fiz pedidos de arquivamentos em caches na mesma situação, ou seja, o owner colocou uma cache que não podia manter, o container desapareceu e resolveu tornar a cache virtual. Uma táctica "interessante". Em que cache isso se passa, podes-me indicar?

Eis o que faria. 1 - DNF 2 - Enviar um mail ao owner onde referia o facto da cache não cumprir os guidelines. 3 - Se a comunicação não resultar e cache continuar a não cumprir com as guidelines, colocava um pedido de arquivamento fundamentado.

Well, seems you've done things by the book. Hold it for a bit and wait for an answer. Still, If you find a cache that is suitable for its goal, grab it from the owner's hand and drop it in the cache.

What are the benefits of placing a cache on a rock wall 300ft from the bottom? Guess only a few will nail it. It would be great for many if the cache was at the parking spot. For me, a PMOC cache is just like any other. In order to get it, you have to do something, either hike, climb, dive or pay a fee to GSP. And that's the way it is. The reason to place a PMOC cache is just like any other: The owner CAN! If he wants it like that, he's got a reason to do it so, which is clearly valid. Enough with the angst towards PMOC caches.

You could try the Tomtom Offroad Navigator at http://www.webazar.org/tomtom/offroad.php?lang=uk See if it works on your model.

Try "Cipher Notepad": http://www.freenetpages.co.uk/hp/barrydavi...ipher_main.html I have it on my pda. Works great.

Try GPX View: http://strandberg.org/gpxview/ Very similar to GPX Sonar. Freeware, also.

"If it's on the internet, it MUST be free!" *sigh* all the way. It's like those who pay $400 for a GPS or $15,000 for a 4x4 (aimed essentially for geocaching) and find $30/y outrageous. It's beyond logic. :puzzled:

Nothing wrong with a cache being on private property. Permission trumps every guideline. Maintaining a cache has nothing to do with logging into this site. Not sure what neglect means but I have a few out there that could take me 9 months or more to get too even if I planned a special trip the day after someone clued me in there was a problem. It's up to you to figure out why that could be. Hmmm...Had one that was disabled 6 month out of the year intentionally. No neglect involved. Still the topic was about when you would use the SBA log so fair enough post. Let me get this straight, since I wasn't clear enough. - If a cache is clearly set on private property, without the consent of it's rightful owners, causing troubles to geocachers that go after it, I'll post an SBA. Of course that caches can be set on private property, you just have to ask first and wait for a positive answer. - If an owner doesn't log in a long time and the cache needs attention, like the coords are really offset, a stage of a multi cache gone, etc, then I'll post a SBA. - If a cache is set by an active geocacher but clearly neglects his role on maintaining a geocache, I'll post a SBA. For example: He makes a hide, the cache is gone in a month, and for 6 months he doesn't replaces it, I'll post a SBA. Why? Well, the guidelines seem pretty clear about these kind of situations: This only happens because some geocachers that hide some caches really don't have a plan B. So, they eventually setup caches that they won't maintain or take care. And even then, there are some that won't even consider the adoption by a local cacher. Still, as some said after, communication is the key. And sometimes, it won't work both ways.

I post SBA notes when: - Caches are in clear violation of guidelines (like in private property) - Owners are away from geocaching (with no recent logins) - Caches are neglected by geocachers that are active and leave those caches inactive for months (like 6 months to 1 year). I find the last item to be particularly annoying.

Well, you can do that, but not in that way. You zoom to the desired area and then choose the option "Create Pocket Query". You'll get the radius close enough to the map you're seeing.