Brian_R

Today I tried cleaning up an old bookmark list in which all of the caches were archived. The only option I had was edit, which then notified me it was a Premium Member Only feature. Is there any way I can delete a bookmark list now that I'm not a premium member? If not can we get a way to do so? I know Groundspeak wants to prevent freeloading edits of lists which is understandable, but let me at least delete a list, especially now because that list is entirely irrelevant. Thanks! Update: I was able to "Bulk Delete" all of the containing items, but it seems that the list record still exists: http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.a...5a-aefef67a1b91 And it shows up in my Bookmarks List as a list.

It's different. Virtual TBs only exist in the code number, and never physically exist. Therefore people whore out their TB # in a lame excuse for miles or whatever. What you're describing is people that use TBs or coins to log their travels in miles and such. Some of those TBs you'll probably only grab, as I know a few that are tied to pets (dogs and such) and a few tied to vehicles (one I know of one that attached the TB on the front bumper of a Jeep, and you have to find a micro elsewhere on the Jeep to log the TB find, very cool!). It's a shame if someone uses the WJTB to log their travels, as they don't own it, but if they're using something that they do own, there's nothing wrong with it.

I've been trying to find a Legend for the User Stats page, to see just what is out there, and I've found nothing. Does one exist? If so, where is it? If not, can we get one? Thanks!

Once again, you are confusing Cache Log with Bug Log. Grabbing a TB generates an email to the TRAVEL BUG owner. Touching it would not generate any email at all. Gee,..no wonder the Liberals got elected the last time; some Canadians just can't read,.. ;)r Wouldn't it be easier on all sides just to turn off the email notification for the grab? I know at the events here, the TBs actually make the journey to the event, pass from person to person at the event (physically) to help these bugs get to a goal. I'm not sure if this legitimate use would get lost with the "touchy" aspect suggested here. It's a shame that this whole thing has to come about in some way/ shape / or form by people writing down the TB tags for icon whoring. At least bring the TB to the event!

Hi, I would like to be added to the waitlist for 2 LE Coins as well. (Purchasing my regular coins now )

It's not too bad if it's "disabled" at least a week for my PQs to pick it up and flag it red before it gets archived. That way I can filter for those by GPX updated date and check them that way. Sometimes it gets archived either directly or too quickly after being disabled which is when I seem to be missing it.

I use PQs for x amount of caches around a zip code. It always grabs every type of cache, etc. and I then import that into GSAK, which gives me a nice notice if it's in service or out of service, archived, etc. Recently I've noticed that there are caches being archived that my PQ isn't picking up, as they are still showing up as available after I import them to GSAK. Did something change and I missed it? Thanks, -Brian_R

ju66l3r's definition is definitely a solid one. The reason I used DC as an example is based on Virtual Cache GCK12J. It's something that everyone knows, but the actual cache is something that very few / if anybody knows about. This cache "turned the bulb on" for me with regard to Virtuals. And this lies the fundamental problem with Waymarking. One Mark, One Category just won't cut it. If I have a waymark for the McDonalds that invented the "Big Mac" and there was a historical marker at this McDonalds, in the current system I could either log it as a McDonalds, or a Historical Marker, or really screw things up, and have 2 waymarks on the SAME SPOT pointing to two different things, two logs, and twice the mark management, versus having one mark and tagged to two categories. The "Surprise" Category is an opt-in, and then that mark can't be used for a regular category in your system. There's two solutions: Allow marks to be in multiple "categories" or "tags" (aka del.icio.us), which opens up the can of fulfilling the requirements to log for each category or tag, or add a secondary identifier, just like at geocaching.com that signifies the waymark type, which I can then filter regardless of category, in case I don't want to look for the Oscar Meyer Wienermobile, or if I only want to look for "The Amazing Travelling Thingamabob". Doubtful. If all parties involved stay closed minded about it, I agree. But I've seen some great ideas to fix the issues brought up about the current Waymark framework, but nothing seems to happen to them, which would be a shame. People are trying to help, but I'm not sure if there anything done on the other end, positive or otherwise, to address those issues or ideas to resolve them.

After I read this, and the rest of the great definitions / explanations of virtuals here, I was wondering why you're still having a problem. So I figured you must have done at least someof the types of caches that are now going to be a cornerstone of Waymarking.com, knowing that you're very busy maintaining the site, etc so I didn't expect a lot of finds. So I go look at you geocaching.com profile, which can be seen here. I see 2 virtual cache finds, and 1 webcam find. I for one really "got" virtuals when I did a bunch in DC as _BBQ_ did. Maybe the best way for you to understand what we mean is to take a trip to the Mall in DC and try some. Now, with that out of the way, I think an easy way to help make any waymark a "surprise" is to not only have a category(Restaurant, Monument, Lighthouse, Sports Arena, etc.), but a waymark type as well (Commercial, Locationless, Webcam, Non-Commercial, Virtual). So I would have a waymark for "Primanti Bros., Oakland" It would be in the category "Restaurants" but the waymark type would be "Commercial". I could have another waymark for "Lost War Memoral" and the waymark type would be "Virtual" or "Non-Commercial". This would set up the groundwork for a PQ based on waymark type, rather than category, which could help keep the "adventure" or "surprise" factor that what made Virtuals popular in the first place. Hopefully the userbase together as a whole can find something to keep everyone relatively satisfied. Let me just footnote my previous post, by I'm just trying to help, and maybe I'm not understanding Jeremy's initial POV. My post boiled down to if all the "sides" of the issue don't understand the other, then how can we expect to get something that will work in the end?

After I read this, and the rest of the great definitions / explanations of virtuals here, I was wondering why you're still having a problem. So I figured you must have done at least someof the types of caches that are now going to be a cornerstone of Waymarking.com, knowing that you're very busy maintaining the site, etc so I didn't expect a lot of finds. So I go look at you geocaching.com profile, which can be seen here. I see 2 virtual cache finds, and 1 webcam find. I for one really "got" virtuals when I did a bunch in DC as _BBQ_ did. Maybe the best way for you to understand what we mean is to take a trip to the Mall in DC and try some. Now, with that out of the way, I think an easy way to help make any waymark a "surprise" is to not only have a category(Restaurant, Monument, Lighthouse, Sports Arena, etc.), but a waymark type as well (Commercial, Locationless, Webcam, Non-Commercial, Virtual). So I would have a waymark for "Primanti Bros., Oakland" It would be in the category "Restaurants" but the waymark type would be "Commercial". I could have another waymark for "Lost War Memoral" and the waymark type would be "Virtual" or "Non-Commercial". This would set up the groundwork for a PQ based on waymark type, rather than category, which could help keep the "adventure" or "surprise" factor that what made Virtuals popular in the first place. Hopefully the userbase together as a whole can find something to keep everyone relatively satisfied.

There's two things in my mind that stick out as "ruining the Virtual Cache Fun": 1) You most likely didn't know what a virtual was of until you found it. Case in point. There is a VC in the DC area right on the Mall of a large monument. The VC was really about something hidden on the back side of the monument away from foot traffic near the grate access to the water pump. I would never have looked for it, but it told an awesome story of American history that I never knew. In the new system it would be characterized, categorized, signed, sealed, delivered, and given a cigarette to you to relax after the fun before you even started. 2) There is no easy way to weed out the typical (or the extroardinary). Some people view Waymarking as "My GPS YellowBook." Others view Waymarking as "My new home for Virtual and Locationless caches." In the current format these two camps have no way to get along, since there is no simple, wholistic approach to filter out either the "YellowBook" kind (for those that although like burgers, don't need a GPS signal to get a McDonalds fix) or the "Virtual Cache" kind (for those that need current POIs for their travels, including fine, quick places to eat, like McDonalds). If there's a way to fix these two items, everyone will live happily ever after. It's that simple. I don't know how, that's where Groundspeak and this forum come in. Hopefully we can figure this out together.

I've spent a lot of time thinking about Waymarking and geocaching, and how Waymarking is supposed to be the home for virtuals, locationless, webcam caches, basically everything that's not in a container. The problem I come up with this whole Waymarking idea is that now there's a second generic, let's call it a "program", that still will unfortunately be too generic to properly serve each type of cache as is the case today (perceived or not perceived). Perhaps my relative lack of experience with locationless caches makes this more confusing for me personally, but here are the questions I have: a) What were the system flaws that made virtuals not ideal for the system? Locationless caches? etc? Other than separating them into their own site, how does Waymarking.com systematically resolve each of these issues described in a for each type of cache? c) Will Waymarking.com work for all of these different types of caches, or are we still just stuffing various angle-shaped pegs into a round hole, but a different, shinier round hole? how? I've read the FAQs and they're nice generic answers, but they still don't answer the down and dirty ?s that underly the whole shift. I'm still on the fence so to speak, but a clearer understanding of these questions / answers I think will if nothing else, make things much clearer for me.

Okay, I've just read all 4 pages of this and have some ideas / suggestions to the situation. I'm a proponent of the single category manager approach with a group twist. Say I suggest a category named "balls of lint", which makes me the category manager. Now others can join the membership of this "category" in a few ways: by voluntarily joining the category group or by placing a waypoint in this category. By doing this, now the category is also a group of people with the same interest, and perhaps foster this with a discussion area or something? Now to distribute the load, the category manager can hold an internal election so to speak for extra reviewer positions or whatever else is needed. Now you're probably asking "What happens if the category owner is a bum?" I've been using another site that utilizes groups that has come up with a unique way of handling the situation. Allow the group members to have a "revolution" and overthrow the owner for a newly elected one. Attached is the other site's description of the process: As you can see by having a single category manager it allows a central contact, but with the associated group you add the ability to delegate inside the group tasks as needed by those willing, discuss items for your favorite category, as well as have provisions to change the category manager if he/she/it does not perform their duties to the level expected by the group. On a side note the big confusion I have is variables and how they play in filtering, as I'm sure many others do. We get mired up in all of the categories when maybe fewer categories and more variable descriptors are the answer. It's definitely tough to start a taxonomy right but I think a lot of heads here in the conversation are working it through pretty well.

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I've recently purchased the Legend and it's been great. Another place to look is Dick's Sporting Goods. Recently they had a special on the Legend "Exploration Pack" which included the regular Legend items plus a car charger, car mount, case, and Garmin's Topo mapping software for $199. If you'd want the topo software I'd try to find a deal like this, but if not the Amazon price seems about right.

I'm guessing that there's no current way to just delete the photo from the log, or encrypt the photo, like a hint. As for my take, if the cache description describes the cache container, a pic would be fine taken away from the hiding location. If not, you might want to email the owner of the cache and ask if the pic is okay, which would probably keep everyone happy.