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No, he said it was Magellan. Fluke makes test equipment, not GPS.

The inconsistency is consistent with the consistency we have seen since the guidelines were revised. LOL, yeah, good thing too!

I would agree with this statement.

Maybe they didn't expect anyone to find it so soon, and there is no final. I would just go ahead and log it, maybe that will get their attention.

If they are already sleeping in a pen then I wouldn't worry too much. Getting them into a pen that you bring with you might be difficult.

Maybe the reviewer got frustrated trying to enter your email address into their GPS? If he-she can't figure out where your cache is then it probably won't be approved. Try dumbing it down a bit.

This probably has something to do with the new consistency plan that was put into effect since November, I read something about that on page two of this thread. The good news is that you will be getting an email shortly telling you it will be listed as submitted soon, right after you make the recommended changes. It may take several days though, to be consistent. Seriously though, hang in there and everything should work itself out. Good luck.

Congrats to the hider and to Ohio cachers who will have this nice new cache to hunt. While I'm glad it was approved as is, I find it humorous that after all this time reviewing the cache, and during the appeal process, nobody picked up on the fact that the building is the cache container (a rather large one at that), and the coordinates were very accurate indeed, meaning that it was correctly listed from the beginning. I guess we could all be happy now that it's been "approved"

Somebody in particular, or anybody?

Likewise.

Yeah. Actually that was someone else's quote above. I just did a poor job quoting the quote.

From the guidlines for placing a cache From the same guidelines I think anything goes as long as the website leans towards one faith, but not another. Even though I usually don't trade, I prefer seeing a pamphlet placed by a religious group to an empty cache box with an empty book placed by some atheist.

The changes don't really matter much to me, there aren't any significant enhancements that I use, so it's just like before the changes. Maybe I'll take notice of more of the features as they become apparent. The time could have probably been used more productively, but at least it looks pretty. Except for the smaller font, it looks fine.

AZBliss02, If you are now satisfied with the decisions and appeals process, I'll back off. I just didn't want to see the wool being pulled over your eyes. For the record, I'm not confused over what's going on. Your cache was denied because of poorly written guidelines. What happened to your cache was as silly as denying an event cache at a restaraunt, for providing the coordinates to the door, rather than the coordinates to the table where to log book is located. I suppose the same could be said for CITO caches. And before anyone points out that they are events and not caches, go look at the perfectly written guidelines and see how they are listed. Good luck on your cache approval.

wOOt! Four more years!!!!

Recap this then: People have already stated that they would use a GPS to get to the coordinates of this cache. They would be posted at the top of the cache page. That would fulfill the Guidelines that Apply to all Cache Types. You don't fool me, you understand. It was you quoting general guidelines. See your quote: I posted from the Cache Listing Requirements/Guidelines that you claim to have helped write. I quoted the page titled Guidelines for Cache Listings, Cache Listing Requirements/Guidelines Guidelines last updated November 2, 2005 Mystery or Puzzle Caches Are you going to tell me about virtual parking lots now?

Please don't be confused, cezanne. The cache was submitted as a Mystery cache, and not a traditional cache. I posted the entire guideline for Mystery caches several posts above, but here are the important parts, you can read the whole thing above. Mystery or Puzzle Caches The information needed to solve the puzzle must be available to the general caching community and should be solvable from the information provided on the cache listing. Unless a good reason otherwise can be provided, the posted coordinates should be no more than 1-2 miles away from the true cache location. I think you are becoming confused because that is the object of steering the post away from the facts. All the talk of virtual stages, and virtual clues, and front doors, and back doors, and numbers on doors, and parking coordinates, and parking lots, are meant to confuse you and make you lose your focus on what really matters. Edit: forgot to add virtual clues

It has boiled down to this...the baloney flag has been raised. It's going to be noticed because it is waving. It's either going to get saluted or cut down. If not this time, then the next time, or the time after that. There's a problem, where's that tire repair kit? This may be all it took, so see you soon, maybe. Edit:punctuation

ROFL! The frog plague must have been memorable, since I remember reading about that one! Thanks Pip for your quote, I would have missed that otherwise. I will put it on my watchlist so that I can enjoy reading the logs.

Hi Team RJMK, If you check the original post, you will see that the cache was submitted as a Mystery cache. From the latest guidelines that were updated on November 2, 2005, you can see that this cache was submitted properly and should be approved. Even if it was miscategorized, it probably could pass as a traditional cache as well. At this point, it isn't about whether or not the cache should be approved. The guidelines already say it should be approved. Mystery or Puzzle Caches The “catch-all” of cache types, this form of cache often involves complicated puzzles that you will first need to solve in order to determine the coordinates. The information needed to solve the puzzle must be available to the general caching community and should be solvable from the information provided on the cache listing. For example, a puzzle that requires research on public websites in order to determine the coordinates may be acceptable, while a puzzle that requires sending an e-mail to the cache owner with the solution in order to obtain the coordinates may not be. The only commonality of this cache type is that the coordinates listed are not of the actual cache location but a general reference point, such as a nearby parking location. Unless a good reason otherwise can be provided, the posted coordinates should be no more than 1-2 miles away from the true cache location. This allows the cache to show up on the proper vicinity searches and to keep the mileage of Travel Bugs that find their way into the cache reasonably correct. Traditional Caches This is the original cache type consisting of (at a bare minimum) a container and a logbook. The cache may be filled with objects for trade. Normally you'll find a Tupperware-style container, ammo box, or bucket filled with goodies, or smaller container ("microcache") too small to contain items except for a logbook. The coordinates listed on the traditional cache page are the exact location of the cache. A container with just an object or codeword for verification, and no logbook, generally, does not qualify as a traditional cache.

1/4 oz containers.

Oops, I see the OP is satisfied for now with his appeal process, so I guess we can all wait and see what the decision is. Thanks for your input too Keystone. It's interesting to see your thought process even if I don't agree with you. I guess we will all watch for the decision. Here's hoping you do the right thing. Edit:spelling

Good point. I took another look and the OP says that it is a "Mystery cache". I have been to Mystery caches that aren't puzzles, so while I see your point about puzzle caches, this one is not really a puzzle. More like a mystery or brain-teaser even. If it was not in the library, but in a hollow log, would you feel that the there should by a sticker on the forest preserve sign? There already are coordinates. What you are describing is a multi-cache. I don't believe the OP intended the cache to be either a multi or a puzzle. Edit:spelling

Keystone, I believe that you are trying to skirt around the fact the the GPS can be used in the cache listing, as is. Is there other information we are missing here, or are you trying to pretend that a GPS cannot be used here. I'm not trying to be offensive here, I just feel you are trying to side step this issue. Edit: spelling

I can also understand how that excuse could be used to try to justify the archive decision, but I don't think it's still as clear cut, and I would admit that I don't have the advantage of seeing reviewer notes. But here is the reason it can still be approved as is. If the coordinates lead to the front door, the GPS component is satisfied. If the actual book is located within reasonable distance of the front door, than we can say the coordinates also point to the cache. (The cache can be located on the second floor just above the door, as an example. Most geocachers are in agreement that a cache up to 60 ft away from the coordinates is acceptable, 30 ft error for both hider and finder) So assuming, the cache is within 60 ft of the front door, the only objection is that the Dewey Decimal number is in the title. I would disagree that this is a problem, as lots of caches include hints in the cache name, ie. Between a Rock and a Hard Place. Not being able to enter the Dewey Decimal numbers into the GPS to help find the cache is no different than not being able to enter the words "between a rock and a hard place" and not being able to find the cache.