Th3 Brown Family

Thanks all for the responses. I think the liquid-nails and covering it in earth is the best way to go... afterall, who is going to want an earth covered box anyways that looks all grubby. The box shown above I will have to use elsewhere or just keep all the items I have collected from Geocaching in. (I have amoboxes just like it I can use, just not all pretty and restored) Again, the best and 'do able' solution is the earth covering. Thanks for the idea Clan Riffster (also those coordinates are PSYCHO! lol)

I would like to place this large cache, however I am having some troubles... Video: Video Link I am unable to use any perm fixture or attach to wildlife in the Elkhart County Parks (permit required). I really need to think "outside the box" so to say... I do not want this cache walking off. The area/zipcode this cache needs to be placed is in Goshen, IN 46526 if anyone knows of a good location please share. There are NO large caches in this area and adding one will surely bring some traffic and fun to all the cahers in the area. If you have any ideas please email me at bob.k.brown(at)gmail.com Thanks!

Double Posted on accident. There is no way to delete my own posts with no replies?? Weird. Mods: Please remove this one. Sorry.

Does it really matter what "tool" is better than the other? Silly piss'n match here and if I were a mod, I would just lock this thread already. I am unsubscribing from thsi now, since everything I have read so far has given me the information I needed. Thanks all and Good Luck!

Yeah .. I can sum this thread up with just a few Lines. (I think enough has been said here to come to this conclusion) Smartphone Users = Family or single hobbiest in urban areas that likes to keep it simple and just have some quick fun with a busy lifestyle on the side. HH GPS Users = More serious rock climbing, water wading, trecking out in the middle of nowhere kind of people that have the time to venture deep into the woods with backpacks and tents and basically get away from urban areas. If we all agree that there is a difference and when a Smartphone user want to do some more serious Gecaching in the ural areas, perhaps it is time to get a HH GPS unit. When maybe a more serious "trecker" wants to just do a quick find and grab around the urban homestead a smartphone is more practical and easier to manage. They both have their place and let's just all agree that each of them has their place in Geocaching. We smartphone users ENVY you HH GPS Users for sure... we would all love to "get away from it all" if we could, however the lifestlye differences and the technology we use should not divide us in the Geocaching community as we are all out for the "find". PEACE and LOVE to you all.

I will direct you to http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=258096 You may get a solid answer there, or at least some strong opinions.

Android phones work great for Geocaching. I use a Droid Eris without any problems.

Not wanting to spam links ... go to Youtube and search ... "Android Geocaching" (Thanks Knight007 for the great Android phone review!) The videos and documented evidence is overwhelming ... many experienced Geocahcher's are now using the Android. (watchout GPS corps ... time to rethink your strategy a bit?!?!) I think Knight007 should have at least mentioned Groundspeak's app though ... (just spend the 10 bucks!) I purchased the app last night and I am going to give it a try today. Looks like a really good app so far. (Got reports in the app reviews that it crashed all the time, ... I hope thats fixed; it did not crash for me at all) Typical Android phone conversation scenario ... Me: Oh, "You have a Android phone? - Have you ever tried Geocaching?" Friend: Geocaching ?!?!?! Whats that??? Me: Goto www.geocaching.com and check it out ... there is a cool video about it. (video does not play on Android phones) From then on the person gets excited like I did and WaPOW! Another one in the community. Plus the QUALITY OF LIFE for that person just trippled, because now this person has a NEW HOBBY that involves hiking, outdoors and socializing. Freakin amazing !!! I am GEEKED (can you tell?) haha. Enough said from me ... you would think I am a salesman or something for Android phones. (Sponsors please email me at bob.k.brown(at)gmail.com) har har har I picked through a few threads ... For those that have a Smartphones with GPS and want to try out an expensive GPS device (money to burn/GPS envy etc ..) at least the phones would be good for assisting the GPS unit since it has no internet. I would not recommend handing your iphone or Android to a 5 years old, so perhaps a handheld kid friendly unit is the way to go there, while the adults use the smartphone GPS to assist and guide the child. (see there is a place for handheld GPS units!) Thats what I like about this sport it is just so open to "whatever works for you". Nice.

I am with the poster. Yes me and my family are "newbies" to Geocaching, but you know what? My Droid Eris just simply "WORKS" for this and not to mention I already had it. I didn't have to buy a $300-$600 GPS and then $100 in maps. I mean c'mon ... this is GREAT NEWS for the community. New Cachers! New stashes! (I placed one today myself) I also have paperless functionality as well w/ the high speed internet on it. When you can grab your family, put them in the car, lock onto a cache and not only get TURN BY TURN driving directions to the location, but ALSO locate the cache within a few feet, find it and celebrate it ... then click a "Found it" button, snap a few photos and move on to the next one. (nope we dont have to connect a USB cable to our GPS, load drivers and use some whacked out software to upload the logs ... we spend that time talking with our families about how much freaking fun we had and looking at the images we snappped with our 3.5mp/8mp cameras) SeRiOuSlY!!! WHAT MORE CAN YOU ASK FOR?!?!?! Without this smartphone and the GPS capabilities + Free software, myself and my family would not ever have done this. I want to shout out and say THANK YOU for bringing this fun as heck hobby to me and my family. You bet I will buy the Groundspeak App, (even if it crashes) just to support them and upgrade my geocaching.com account to a yearly subscription. You bet I will buy stickers and coins and T shirts. HECK YES. Why give the cash to Garmin or whatever greedy GPS company is out there? Give it to the community! Buy Cache supplies! Enjoy the sport! I am sorry for all of you out there that spent thousands on the pinpoint tracking GPS systems that you can dunk and drop, not knocking you or the seriousness you have dumped into it. Thats YOU and YOUR choice. Thank GOD and all of the developers that made the Droid and other smartphones work for this! THANK YOU! Note: Try a Droid if you can. Just don't knock it until you have. Note: The rest of you Droid users just sit there and nod your head, cuz you know were right. /end rant Much LOVE. If your ever in the Iniana Goshen Area ... give us a shout. Would love to cache some sites with you all.