rusty_da_dog
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I myself personally wouldn't have a GPSr that didn't have a usb cable so I could hook the GPSr directly to the PC, but then again thats just me.
Cya on the trails,
Rusty
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Hey There,
Western Arkansas here, I have been around for awhile, since there were less than 100 caches in the state, thats worth something right?
Cya on the trails,
Rusty
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Even if I have the best McDonalds in the world with gourmet food, people still associate McDonalds as cheap, fast food.
Even if there are a few great caches in Anytown USA, if one cacher dominates that area with crap caches, then Anytown USA could get the rap as having lame caches.
In the end, problem placers hurt the perception of geocaches in general. (this goes back to the whole arguement: maybe people place lamp skirt caches, because that is all they have seen.)
Whose perception are they hurting? I have only cached heavily in a few states...NC, FL, SC, TX and VA. I personally don't think any of those places have problem one with a bad reputation. Sure there may be some caches there that YOU may not like but there are certainly many many others to satisfy most cachers. One of the best trips we took was four days in Nashville. We were able to find caches of all types to satisfy us. I went out early in the morning and satisfied my number hunger. Then Ms horsegeeks and I spent the rest of the day and the evening doing ones that we both liked. I hear some forum bellyaching about the lousy caches in Nashville. There were caches for all tastes. The only problem I had was a certain cache in a beautiful park south of Nashville where I broke my ankle not following instructions on the cache page.
I just don't see why people gripe about caches they don't like, there are so many more
If you take the average quality (measured by whatever scale you choose) from 2006 and compare it to the average quality of caches in 2002, what do you think you would see?
In general, the overall cache quality has degraded. That is the perception to which I am refering.
Being around since the beginning of '02 I would have to agree that the cache quality has fallen off bad. I remember back in the day when it was extremely rare to find micro caches, most everyone hid ammo cans or something of comparable size, now it seems like people just dump them for kicks. Now that being said I have a few micros out in the world, and that is because it is an interesting spot and I thought it needed a cache. On the note of interesting spots, I say that is a MAJOR area where cache quality has flew South. Used to I guess you could say back in the good ole days, when you found a cache it was at a nice view of a lake, or in a nice park, or something, there was a reason why a cacher brought you to that spot. Now a days, go look under the third light post from the left in your local TRAM LAW (That is Wal-Mart) for folks not from around these parts) parking lot. I guess maybe that is the reason I don't go caching a lot anymore. I still go don't get me wrong, and I surely pick and choose which cache I am looking for. Most of my caching now I do when I am out of state on business or vacation, I find more enjoyment that way.
Just my .02
Cya on the trails,
Rusty
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I am trying to find out about some cool places to go see (and nearby caches) in the Panhandle area between Odessa/Lubbock/Amarillo. I have found out about Palo Duro Canyon S.P. on the TX parks website, but was wondering if anyone has any tips to share? Hotels to pick/avoid, good places to eat, other points of interest. The more off the beaten path the better. I have been out that way once or twice before, but only passing through, not to stay for very long. I realize that West Texas by it's very nature is 'off the beaten path'! I am planning for sometime in the next year or so, when my step-sister and her husband come from England to visit.
Thanks in advance!
that one and nearby, Caprock.
At the Palo Duro you can stay in the canyon, on the rim for nice, down in the canyon if you like somewhat primitive. Check their site. If it isn't too dry I like being on the canyon floor. The last visit we stayed in Canyon and enjoyed it. It's not a long drive to the canyon. It's a nice little town to visit.
I have several caches to the East of Lubbock that are really off the beaten path. You might want to check them out, I tried to make them as original as possible, plus there are some other caches around that area also. Good Luck and enjoy West Texas, it is a great place to be from, and to cache around as well.
Cya on the trails,
Rusty
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Sadly you had to meet "the one" right off the bat...we all know about "the one"...he/she/they are "the one" cacher who you never will see eye to eye with and it is best to disagree and move on. When I found my first TB the owner of the bug e-mailed me and congradulated me on my first bug and he was happy I took it to move along even though I left nothing at the time. Since then I have returned to the cache and dropped off a TB or two along the way. Let it go, you did nothing wrong
Yep I know how this goes for sure. However on the original subject as has been stated you didn't do anything wrong, just let this be water off your back and keep caching, just because you don't play their way means nothing, other than you might not see eye to eye, so what have fun and get out there and see what there is to be seen.
Cya on the trails,
Rusty
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I have a Magellan 315 that works as good today as the day I got it 4 or 5 years ago. I also have a Magellan Platinum that has been back to the shop twice in 2 years. Once was when I dropped it off a good cliff, the other the screen just went POOF.
I still carry the 315 with me everywhere I go it gets the job done.
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I try to leave more than TNLNSL, but as some have said sometimes thats about all you want to say about it. If I am only going after a few caches in a day I have found I tend to write more since I have more time, but I have noticed that when I read logs people have left in my caches. If people would leave where they are from in the cache log that actually suits me just fine, especially those who are in the state caching.
just my .02
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Everyone has to be a Smart a** about this. Ya know screw all of you, I know you can't argue with someone who thinks they are God, it is obvious that LAME caches are approved everyday (now since previous caches don't dictate guidelines I guess I can't say anything about that.) Point is, it is an interesting place, Just because you don't do virtual caches and you have to filter it, that is YOUR choice. I was hoping to get some REAL cachers opinions, but obviously they steered a wide path from this thread.
This subject ENDS NOW,
As LadeBear says for Tact, so WHAT!!!
Flame me, I don't rightly care. I have supported this site for several years, I am a Charter Member just like several people here are, not that that is saying anything just stating a fact.
You people just don't get it, just another reason there needs to be an APPROVER in the state of Arkansas, now everyone can get on their soap boxes about oh you can't have an approver for every state or some BS like that. But people around here KNOW whats going on. There is NO WAY a person from Alabama, or Colorado, or any other state knows what goes on in a little town in Arkansas.
This ends NOW, And I agree with most everyone else that has dealt with approvers, YOU SUCK.
Now, I will go chill out and have my beer
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Well, first of all obviously there is no place for a physical cache of anykind at this location since it is on the property of the Charleston School District.
The ENTIRE area is owned by the school district? So you couldn't make a multi-cache starting at the virtual and leading you to a physical cache a quarter or a third of a mile away? I find that hard to believe.
Well, OBVIOUSLY you couldn't make this part of a multi cache since it is on school property.......HELLO!!!!!
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If it is such a bad thing for caches (physical or virtual to be placed on school property can someone tell me why these particular caches were APPROVED by the approvers when my cache is not being approved. If someone can tell me why these caches were approved and/or why they are STILL in existence I will drop this, lock the thread and be done with it.
Without knowing the whole story re: these caches, it's hard to say if there is some legitimate reason as to why the previous caches were approved.
That said...The approval of those caches bears nothing in whether YOURS is approvable. Remember this statement from the cache placement guidelines?
First and foremost please be advised there is no precedent for placing caches. This means that the past listing of a similar cache in and of itself is not a valid justification for the listing of a new cache.That's all the justification you need.
That may be true, BUT my question is why were they approved in the first place? If they SHOULDN'T have been approved which according to geocaching guidelines they shouldnt have been. Why were they? Why are they still active? and why have they not been archived?
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Setting aside the concerns about having a cache (physical or virtual) close to a school, I still don't see why you couldn't use the historical marker as the starting point for a multi/offset cache.
For the same reason. The problem is having people wander close to and around school property causing school officials to call the police. We just dont want to take the chance they will.
LaPaglia, I agree with you completely. What I meant was that IF the concerns about being so close to a school didn't come into play (which they obviously DO), then it STILL wouldn't be meet the criteria for hiding a virtual.
The OP has argued that this spot is historically significant and therefore meets the "WOW factor" requirements. I'm not sure I buy that, but even if I did...he still hasn't addressed why the area could not support a physical cache as a final stage for a multi.
Well, first of all obviously there is no place for a physical cache of anykind at this location since it is on the property of the Charleston School District.
Second, if you are unsure of the importance of this particular area, how many people have heard of Central High School in Little Rock Arkansas where Gov. Fabus had to call out the National Guard when that school tried to integrate. Charleston Arkansas integrated with no National Guard, not protest, it was totally peaceful. I think there are a LOT of people who would be VERY interested in the fact that tiny Charleston, Arkansas a town with a population today of right at 3K was the first school in the Old Confederacy to allow blacks to attend school with whites.
If anyone thinks that is not interesting, then the person thinking that is obviously either an idiot, or does not care about civil rights.
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Rusty_da_dog,
At this moment I would highly that you settle down and realize what is going on. You have been attacking reviewers as well as the person who is in charge of the reviewers. Nothing about that will change the guidlelines or get your virtual published.
When you think about it, elementary and middle schools are not good places to put a cache. It really doesn't matter what type. It will not be published.
Thanks
RoadRunner
Cache Reviewer
Thank you Roadrunner.
Ill spell it out for him.
I am a volunteer reviewer for Groundspeak. I review the state of Colorado. I used to also do the states of NV, NM, and AZ. I have approve more virts then he has virts found. Counts are not what matter. What matters is the quality of the cache.
So, maybe I need to check and see how many LAME virtuals are in those states, eh.......
As I mentioned in my previous post, if someone will answer my question, I am willing to call a truce and let it die.
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Well, let me just put an end to this NOW.
If it is such a bad thing for caches (physical or virtual to be placed on school property can someone tell me why these particular caches were APPROVED by the approvers when my cache is not being approved. If someone can tell me why these caches were approved and/or why they are STILL in existence I will drop this, lock the thread and be done with it.
GCHGA4 Located at the Clarksville football field on the campus of
> Clarksville High School.
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> GCMG6G Located on the campus of Ozark High School, even with permission it
> seems it would be weird to be hunting it at school time.
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> GCMR4W It plainly states in the description that it is located on the
> property of Southside High School
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> GCJEB1 Located at the Roland football field on the campus of Roland
> Oklahoma.
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> Now as mentioned the above caches are all on school property, they are all
> cache containers.....
> With the reviewer's comment earlier of: "mainly because it is in a school yard,
so can someone please tell me the answer to why these physical caches are allowed, even with the rule of no caches on school grounds??????? Should these caches not be archived if we are so worried about adults running around on school property?
Also while I am on the punching block, why is it that only certain people have to abide by the .1 mile rule?????
If someone could answer at the very least the first of my two questions. I will lock this down, and wash my hands of it.
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Oh man, I am sorry LaPaglia, you have got to be smarter than me and know what constitutes a good vs. crap virtual cache, I mean you have found 8 virtuals, I bet all of them were AWESOME.........oh not to mention your favorite movie is Heidi after all.......good God......
Do ya think I should tell him what qualifys me to know a good virt from a bad one.
enlighten me please........If you dont need everyone knowing just message me
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Oh man, I am sorry LaPaglia, you have got to be smarter than me and know what constitutes a good vs. crap virtual cache, I mean you have found 8 virtuals, I bet all of them were AWESOME.........oh not to mention your favorite movie is Heidi after all.......good God......
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The school guideline was added in February 2005, in response to the volume of problem caches near schools. Existing caches hidden prior to that date are grandfathered. Caches hidden since then may have escaped attention if there was nothing on the cache page to suggest it was near a school, and/or if the online maps were outdated.
It is perhaps more useful to focus on the virtual cache listing guidelines rather than the physical cache listing guidelines, in any event.
I disagree, I think it is very important. If the guideline was put in place in Feb of '05 I still know of physical caches that are placed on school property. There is plenty on the cache pages stating they are on school property. As I said I would think a virtual would be better than a physical cache on school property due to the fact of suspicious activities around schools combined with the drugs that are an ever present threat to our kids in schools. A virtual cache would be alot more suitable at a school than a physical cache.
Also if as I said permission is an issue, I can handle that here in a couple of weeks.
Its still a crappy virt! (personal opinion)
Why is it that I feel that you will accept no answer that does not agree with yours. Years ago we had a fellow like that around here.
"I want a Pony!"
and you know what they say personal opinions are like *******'s everyone has one eh.........
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rusty_da_dog: I'm afraid you are doing exactly what the OPs in the “Need Input Of The "community" About A Virtual” and “Unapproved Cache(s), Would like a consensus and some opinions” threads did, and this will end exactly the same way. In both these other discussions the OPs had come up with an idea for a cache that they thought was great but the reviewers said didn’t meet the guidelines. Instead of accepting that decision, or trying to modify the cache to meet the guidelines, the OPs traded several e-mails with the reviewer trying to “prove” their caches were an exception to the rules.
When that failed, they decided to start a thread because they felt that other cachers would also think this was a great idea for a cache and back them up. However, what they got was an obvious overwhelming response backing the reviewer. I suggest you read those threads before you waste any more time and emotions on what will turn out to be a lost cause.
Nah see that is turning into being part of it. People can blast me all they want. Its all in fun now. I know the reviewers think they are Gods, so you know you can't argue or plead your case with them. So life goes on.......
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The school guideline was added in February 2005, in response to the volume of problem caches near schools. Existing caches hidden prior to that date are grandfathered. Caches hidden since then may have escaped attention if there was nothing on the cache page to suggest it was near a school, and/or if the online maps were outdated.
It is perhaps more useful to focus on the virtual cache listing guidelines rather than the physical cache listing guidelines, in any event.
I disagree, I think it is very important. If the guideline was put in place in Feb of '05 I still know of physical caches that are placed on school property. There is plenty on the cache pages stating they are on school property. As I said I would think a virtual would be better than a physical cache on school property due to the fact of suspicious activities around schools combined with the drugs that are an ever present threat to our kids in schools. A virtual cache would be alot more suitable at a school than a physical cache.
Also if as I said permission is an issue, I can handle that here in a couple of weeks.
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No flak from me. I love Virtuals. Its a shame because I know of several monuments that are truely off the beaten path but they will be a part of an upcoming multi cache. And you better bring your jeep or boots to find these memorials that will give you the clues to the final location. My advice would be to hide the virtual within the stages of multi and really make them work for it.
And as Lapaglia said "elementary and secondary schools" I wonder why there is one here in CO that was approved and the cache is near a school. You can even park in the schools parking lot to get to the cache.
Yep there are SEVERAL micro caches around Arkansas and Oklahoma that are hidden on school property......I would think as I said a cache container would be discouraged but I would think a virtual would be fine........
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From the listing guidelines for virtual caches:Signs, memorials, tombstones, statues or historical markers are among the items that are generally too common to qualify as virtual caches.
Perhaps you should wait for the forthcoming replacement for virtual and locationless caches, where a spot like this ought to be able to be listed, just not as a geocache.
Of course the next line in the requirements says "Unusual landmarks or items that would be in a coffee table book are good examples."
forget the memorial issue. How about this little goodie of a giudeline.
Caches may be quickly archived if we see the following (which is not inclusive):Caches on land maintained by the U.S. National Park Service or U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (National Wildlife Refuges)
Caches that are buried. If a shovel, trowel or other “pointy” object is used to dig, whether in order to hide or to find the cache, then it is not appropriate.
Caches that deface public or private property, whether a natural or man-made object, in order to provide a clue or a logging method.
Caches placed on archaeological or historical sites. In most cases these areas are highly sensitive to the extra traffic that would be caused by vehicles and humans.
Caches hidden in close proximity to active railroad tracks. In general we use a distance of 150 ft but your local area’s trespassing laws may be different. All local laws apply.
Caches near or on military installations.
Caches near or under public structures deemed potential or possible targets for terrorist attacks. These include but are not limited to highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary schools, and airports.
There may be some exceptions. If your cache fits within one of the above areas, please explain in notes to the reviewer section of the cache page. For example, if you are given permission to place a cache on private property, indicate it in the notes for the benefit of both the reviewer and people seeking out the cache.
You read the guidelines when you listed the cache. Or at least you said you read them. What part of the above guideline does not apply to your cache. I read the reviewer notes and you did not explain how your cache is an exception to the above guideline.
How about this hot shot............"Caches near or under public structures deemed potential or possible targets for terrorist attacks. These include but are not limited to highway bridges, dams, government buildings, elementary and secondary schools, and airports. "
I have not placed ANY container at this location. It is a VIRTUAL cache showing the efforts of a small town to Integrate peacefully when other schools in this state were calling out the National Guard to get black kids into school.......
I can assure you though, if it takes getting persmission from school officials to do that, I can handle that effective Aug 1st.........
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From the listing guidelines for virtual caches:Signs, memorials, tombstones, statues or historical markers are among the items that are generally too common to qualify as virtual caches.
Perhaps you should wait for the forthcoming replacement for virtual and locationless caches, where a spot like this ought to be able to be listed, just not as a geocache.
Of course the next line in the requirements says "Unusual landmarks or items that would be in a coffee table book are good examples."
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Oh I am sure I will get plenty of flack. At this point I rightly don't care. I have dealt with approvers before. Some are nice, some are ok, One thing about it most of the approvers I have known have first of all been around awhile. This profile for this approver was created not long back.......Now maybe that doesnt mean anything, but that being neither here nor there, I see no problem with the listing.
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Sorry for the double post.......
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Ok, I have seen a lot of virtual caches some good, some not so hot. As the Charleston, Arkansas school district was the first school in the nation to voluntarily (and peacefully I might add) integrate back in 1954. I thought the new memorial in the parking lot of the school would be a great virtual cache.
I am having a HE77 of a time getting this cache approved. Am I missing something? I get all kinds of it doesn't meet the requirements, then after I reply and justify the requirements as I understand them, I get something about you can't have a cache in a school yard......How about in about a micro at a high school football field where you have to crawl under bleachers to find it, couldnt that be a little strange during school hours?????
Bottom line I am kinda hacked off that I think this is a perfectly good virtual.
Can anyone give me any comments? Here is a link to the listing.
http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...c2-9b710c89b717
If the link doesn't work try: GCPV9Z
Cache Containers
in How do I...?
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Thankfully, I have not run into any glass containers in my travels. I just recently started finding Lock N Locks, those are actually pretty cool containers. As for Ammo Cans, Decon Boxes, or things like that. You can find them at almost any army surplus store, as well as many different places online, last time I bought Decon Boxes (Little band-aid sized boxes with a good snap on lid) I think I got them from Cheaperthandirt.com, There are plenty of places to get decent containers as people have stated here I would spend an extra buck or two to get a good container as I have ran into several glad ware/dollar store plastic that isn't worth holding food or a geocache.
Oh and magnetic keyholders I have found to be an alright micro cache container, but if you put them where it will rain down on them they are gonna get wet, I have several hides using these that work just fine, maybe thats because it hasn't rained around here in a few weeks.
just my .02
Cya on the trails,
Rusty