Schnitzle

I picked up a container after I archived a listing that a group of catchers with 7 finds that lasted for 8 days. That makes two listings that I have checked and removed. I'm not playing this game if I have to pay to have an account to hide headaches here.

They are probably scratching their heads wondering why someone with 17 finds over 3 years is so animated over this issue. There comes the insult. Well, you never want to go there, but in this case, it is somewhat relevant. Anyone remember that guy from New Jersey who only found 25 caches (and hadn't found one for several months when he was active here), and had never hid one, but would sit here and argue with us for hours on end about anything? Yes. The combination of low activity and very strong opinions is usually someone who is not posting with their primary account, AKA sock, and wishes to stay anonymous. I was certain that other guy was a sock, but he seemingly lost interest. In this case, I pretty much agree with cachman9, but its hard to understand the caps and DEMANDS TO TAKE ACTION, when there is very little activity or interest in geocaching. There is no insult intended, nor anything close to the sort, only an honest observation which was triggered by the provoking and excited posts. I'm not expecting Groundspeak to do anything about the app very soon, although they should verify email addresses and somehow block users who are under 18 and not supervised. I disagree with blocking users under the age of 18 unless this game is for adults only. I understood it to be family friendly, has that changed?

It's only fair. Many of us dogs are geocachers that take out humans with us.

Yes.

Make your listing PMO for a few days after deleting the users log.

Really? Then how did I get to be a Platinum Level EarthCache Master? Maybe you should do more research. Take a look at my profile page. I have some photos of my Human there also.

Please feel free to view my photo gallery. I can find caches easy by sense of smell. Some humans do have issues with how I leave my "mark" on the log though.

Well, some Dogs have their own accounts. Hamsters are expendable. I really would not want a Cat to review my cache submissions. Cats are too biased.

The DGS is a Band of Brothers that enjoy geocaching, plain and simple.

That makes about as much sense as why a dog....... Well never mind. But it does.

I find most earthcache logging requirements understandable. I don't care much for ones that I have to take field notes at the site and use other sources of information to come up with the correct answers. If I can't visit the site and log the find with my observation I won't waste my time logging my visit. I have had help in listing and researching my earthcaches, but I have had hands on my listings and learned more while creating them than I would if not attempted. Are there any other 14 year olds out there that have interest in or have developed any earthcache listings?

Which OpenCaching? .Com or .US? .com

Can QR codes be used as a replacement for signing a log book? How do they work on this site?

As a K9 cacher myself, I love to cache with my humans. I really good at finding those close to the ground caches, but my favorite are ammo can hides.

There are quite a few geocache videos on YouTube.

I was actually just looking for a TB for my pooch, if you get an answer e-mail me please! I got mine from Groundspeak, it's one of the cachekinz with the dog bone on it. They are really cheap made and wear quickly if attached to your collar.

I basically agree with this. The requirements for the archived caches may have to be changed because of the current guidelines regarding photos, but what do you do if the basic information was presented in a thorough and thoughtful manner? So while walking the dog I began to wonder if the previous owner gave blanket permission for anyone to use the earthcache descriptions in making a new earthcache (with appropriate citation, of course), I would not call it plagiarism. But would the reviewers accept this if you visited the site, got new permission, and otherwise met the guidelines? I suppose its only speculation unless such permission is actually granted. You and Harry are absolutely right. With permission and quotation marks..........it's not plagiarism! To Manville, CS's email can be obtained if your want it. Back to an earlier point. What about adoptions? Do TPTB see any difference between an EC being adopted out and what we are discussing? Adoption = permission from cache owner. Cut and paste with proper citations and permission = same thing! Pray tell, what is the difference? Oh yes, with the latter, you need to get a new permission from the land manager. Why not the same on adoptions? After all, the land manager didn't give permission to the adoptive parent! If further barriers and obstacles are thrown up one cannot conclude that someone doesn't want the archived ECs renewed! Too bad if true. Thanks and throw away...............stones that is! No I didn't say throw up! How about it, can someone with authority answer mulvaney's question? "would the reviewers accept this if you visited the site, got new permission, and otherwise met the guidelines? Sorry mulvaney, personally I think the new permission part can be skipped. Thanks. KK, I don't think that we wolud have any problems with the Park, as they have given us their blessings, wishing us well with our efforts to help develop Virtual EarthCaches at Balanced Rock, Chimney Rock, the Pennical Overlook, and other sites that were listed in the request. Alot of time from the Park went into these archived caches from more than the CO. The Park staff helped, it's their loss too. I just don't think that Scnit & me could do a very good job at creating a EC that would be worth visiting. I hope that someone qualifyed lists one in the Park soon. Virtual caching is most welcome in CGNHP, these are the some of the nicest people to work with. Most Parks are geocache friendly, I have listings in Parks in Va. Tn. Ky. Sorry posted on wrong account. Manville, not Shnitzle

Yes, we are, just as the cache owner of the previous Listing is being treated fairly in regards to their intellectual property. Tell me this, how would you feel if one of your classmates stole your science project, took credit for it, and received an A+ for it? Your best course of action would be to acknowledge the Reviewers Note, point by point, with the corrective actions that you've taken. I believe the Reviewer would appreciate the good faith effort given to be sensitive to the Communities concerns, and make further recommendations if needed. Dad and I are dicucssing the issue now. We think that EarthCaching is too contraversial for me. We think that it is best that we just step aside, and leave EarthCache develpoemt to the experts. Dad says that is is a waste of our time, and our contrubition is not needed or wanted. We will just likely encounter more problems with our caches because of the archived ones. I think that dad is right, developing a EarthCache IS like fighting with a Skunk. Now, back to playing Xbox!!! This is an odd response - what's the controversy? It looks like the reviewer was very clear about what your Earthcache needed, and it doesn't seem like any of the things he/she is looking for are insurmountable obstacles. Many people get sent back to the drawing board a couple of times before their Earthcache gets published. It's not a matter of being an "expert," it's a matter of working with the reviewer to make your Earthcache meets the stated requirements. Sorry, roll-over and beg are just not on this dog's list of tricks.

Really this was one of my least vavorite caches in the area, but it does flow from Gap Cave. We got to go on a cave tour last year when we came here for a EC event in the Gap. We tourd Cudjos cave that is also called Gap Cave, it comes out above in soilders cave. The soilders wrote their names in the cave with candle smoke and some are chizled in the rock. I like the balance rock at the pennicle near chimney rock best but the cave tour is awsome.

Yes, I agree. See how quickly we backed away and stopped? Dad said that citing our source in this forum would just get this thread locked.

Yes, we are, just as the cache owner of the previous Listing is being treated fairly in regards to their intellectual property. Tell me this, how would you feel if one of your classmates stole your science project, took credit for it, and received an A+ for it? Your best course of action would be to acknowledge the Reviewers Note, point by point, with the corrective actions that you've taken. I believe the Reviewer would appreciate the good faith effort given to be sensitive to the Communities concerns, and make further recommendations if needed. Dad and I are dicucssing the issue now. We think that EarthCaching is too contraversial for me. We think that it is best that we just step aside, and leave EarthCache develpoemt to the experts. Dad says that is is a waste of our time, and our contrubition is not needed or wanted. We will just likely encounter more problems with our caches because of the archived ones. I think that dad is right, developing a EarthCache IS like fighting with a Skunk. Now, back to playing Xbox!!!

Thank you, it does not seem fair to the other user to me either now that I think more about it. The archived caches are the best source of information. Now for me to try and put it into my words. My listing will not be worth publishing without some of the geology lesson that I gained from the archived cache, but dad has a EarthCache listed at a Spring, he said it was hard to get published, that when he first submitted it, it had alot of web related stuff and no local geology. It too was a similar EC that he found in Damascus, Va but these type caches that envolve Springs are no longer accepted. I'm not real sure which way to turn, can I run and hide onder the bed now?

Recently some EC listings were archived and opened up some nice places, I am a 14 year old student, and with the help of a parent we are attempting to develop some EC's that are of the same or similar subject matter. We used the old listings and other sources for our reasearch. We first obtained permission from the land manager, we have visited the sites ( we were last there around thanksgiven), the coordinates have been rechecked more than a few times, dad even has a waymark listed nearby that was listed on 09/26/2010, and a few more in the area. Now I am being told that the listings must be in MY own words. We changed the cache names and logging requirements, removed alot, and added our own words. We can't find anything in the guidelines that say a listing MUST be published in our own words. From the letter I recieved from the reviewer, many people must be having this same issue. I knew that developing a good EarthCache would be difficult, but are we as EarthCacher being treated fairly in this matter? You are receiving this email because you are the owner of this listing. Location: Virginia, United States geoawareCA temporarily disabled Cumberland Gap Spring (Not Published) (Earthcache) at 12/9/2010 Log Date: 12/9/2010 Thank you for the EarthCache submission. This EarthCache appears to be replacing an EarthCache which was recently archived. As there are quite a number of these appearing in the queue lately, please note the following conditions, and ensure that your EarthCache submission meets all of them. This will help speed up the review process. Please note that all new EarthCache submissions must meet the current Submittal Guidelines found here: http://www.geosociety.org/earthcache/guidelines.htm In particular, the follow is a list of items that we are specifically looking at for submissions where another EarthCache was recently archived. * All EarthCache sites developed must have prior approval of the landowners before submission You must obtain permission for this EarthCache before it can be published. Please post a Reviewer Note with the name, title, and contact info of the person that grants permission for this EarthCache. Please note that if the EarthCache is located within a National Park, then the permission must be in email format and should be forwarded to geoawareCA@gmail.com * You must have visited the site recently (within two months), checked the site is safe and taken multiple GPS readings to ensure accuracy of coordinates. Please indicate in a Reviewer Note when you last visited this site. * EarthCaches should highlight a unique feature. EarthCaches that duplicate existing EarthCache information about the site or related sites may be rejected. EarthCaches should be developed to provide a unique experience to the visitor to the region. The logging tasks cannot be exactly the same as the previous EarthCache at this location. You will need to provide new and unique logging tasks to ensure that cachers actually visit the site to log your EarthCache and not just resubmit the answers they sent to the previous owner. * Requests for specific content in the photograph (must include the visitor's face, for example) will be considered an additional logging requirement and must be optional. You must ensure that your new EarthCache submission meets the current requirements regarding photographs as quoted above. * Avoid direct plagiarism from web sources and quote sources of information where appropriate. From the geocaching.com Terms of Use: http://www.geocaching.com/about/termsofuse.aspx#Claims * Groundspeak respects the intellectual property rights of others, and Groundspeak asks that all users of the Site do the same. The new EarthCache should not be directly copied from the listing that the previous owner had. Instead, you must provide the listing in your own words. I have temporarily disabled the listing to allow you to make any necessary changes. When you are finished, you can post an "Enable Listing" log and it will again appear in the review queue. If there have been no changes in the next month or so it may be archived to keep it from blocking future cache placements. If you have any questions, feel free to contact me through the link in my profile. Thank you, geoawareCA EarthCache Reviewer for Canada and NE USA

vote cast, thank you.

We see you are from Virginia. We have several ECs in the State, oops, Commonwealth, and you are welcome to log them. Bring your favorite pet He/she can log them too! None of ours are PM and never will be! Thank you sir, I have logged one of your caches in Lee County. Dad said that there are also some of your earthcache listings near our home. We are planning a family earthcache outing in a few days on 10/10/10. I was at the earthcache event hosted by Cav Scout in the Cumberland Gap last year, but we did not do any group caching. We got to tour the Gap Cave, and Soilders Cave with the Park Ranger. I am also helping develop a new earthcache with dad, he loves to place what he calls history caches, and says that earthcaches are very difficult to develop, so we should be grateful to other geocachers that are able to develop them for us to enjoy. Dad says that we should give more than we take, I think that is why he feels so strongly about PMO earthcaches in Parks. Thanks again, Schnitzle.