Dragon's Passion 4 Caching

What are you asking for the GPSr?

Sign me up for the one for Lane County!

The concepts aren't at all the same. Never confuse geocaching with a competition. Athletes go to the Olympics with the intent to compete for awards. Geocachers go find caches with the intent to find caches. Any additional competitive elements added to geocaching are not the primary intent and are completely unofficial. Anyway, there's nothing any of us can do to change what has happened with that cache. The only person that can do that is the owner. If they won't, then it's case closed. Time to move on and find some more caches. Well, as long as there are "awards" posted on the cache page, they should be given out as they are "earned". And, the "intent" of caching is whatever each cacher makes it. Some go for numbers, some for hiking, some power trails, some challenges, etc. If the CO has a list on the page, he should be listing the finders in the order they actually "earned". If you don't care about order, at least care about fair and right. Maybe if enough people DID care, people like this wouldn't do this kind of stuff. You apparently don't. And, you're right, it's time to move on. Goodnight.

They weren't MY caches that got logged. Had they been MY caches, it would have been MY business. They weren't, it wasn't. It was up to those CO's to tend to their own caches. He just wanted me to take this guy on because he was miffed about the bogus logs. NOT MY PROBLEM. He had the option to contact those CO's or the guy himself - NOT me. Then perhaps the lesson is that the world is a very unfair place and that needs to not take away from their own joy and sense of accomplishment. There are a lot of unfair people in the world and we can't change them. Personally, I think this is an incredibly important lesson. Show them how to deal with unfair people with your head up and being unconcerned with what others do. As a CO it is your job to play cache police and validate logs, seems rules were important to him and you snuffed him now karma got you back. What lesson did you teach your kids when your caches were armchair logged and you did nothing about it?

Well, I think those that don't care about the order should cache that way. But, there are many of us who do. And, if the CO is going to post an order, they should post an accurate list. I think those that don't care about injustice for great kids, who worked their buns of to finish something are the ones that "look bad." I'm not much of a drinker, maybe that's why having things done right and fair are more important to me. Maybe you should have the "stuff drink" and not worry about anything that doesn't matter to you.

Although I agree with you on most of that, I also believe that nothing changes if people don't stand up for what's right. This CO is the very same person that kept contacting me a few years ago when a local cacher logged a bunch of caches that he didn't do (200+). He thought it was my job to play cache police, telling this guy to delete his logs! I told him that it didn't matter to me, that if he wanted to tell him, he could do so. But, as far as I was concerned, all his logging those caches meant was that his score didn't mean anything at all. So, wanting caching to be on the up-and-up, isn't it right that his very own cache page reflect what really happened? (BTW, my two kids are over visiting their father during all of this. It's me, fighting for them and what's right.) Then perhaps the lesson is that the world is a very unfair place and that needs to not take away from their own joy and sense of accomplishment. There are a lot of unfair people in the world and we can't change them. Personally, I think this is an incredibly important lesson. Show them how to deal with unfair people with your head up and being unconcerned with what others do.

3.1. Logging of All Physical Geocaches I'm aware of that part but thought the next paragraph set a date beyond which such new caches would not be approved. To me, the relationship of the two paragraphs isn't clear, but I accept your understanding of it. Thanks. Yeah, the new Challenges make it confusing, I guess. We have a LOT of them here, and I saw a bunch listed in another state today while was planning a trip. So, I think that's what's commonly accepted. I hink the ALR's are to avoid people demanding that you ride a helicopter to their cache to log it, etc.

Oh, they know, and we celebrated!! But, like I said on the other reply, they deserve the online recognition if it is given to others. What does THAT teach them, that other people should get credited with 3rd and 4th when they actually placed in that order? In a school, if there is a Spelling Bee, should 3rd place be given to #7?

I think it's considered a challenge cache, though not listed as the new types of challenges. You must meet the challenge by finding all of the other caches listed. We have a lot of those here, where you have to meet the requirements. That IS the unknown part of the cache. If you check the cache page, the cache requirements changed as the CO was made aware that they had a cache listed that wasn't even in our county! Then, another cache was brought to light after a different cache was listed as the next oldest. So, the CO changed the requirements after others did some research, and morphed the original to new and more requirements. 3.1. Logging of All Physical Geocaches

What I am trying to teach them is that if there is something that they should get credit for, they get it. If the CO posts an order, it should reflect an accurate order of finds. No, this isn't world record material, here, but do you feel the same about other lists? The Olympics are on right now. Does it matter what order someone finishes the race? They don't really DO anything any different. They ran the same race, just a bit faster than the next guy! So, does it "matter" who came in first, second, third... Competition is competition for a reason. It's part of our way of life. Sure, there are higher stakes for the Olympics ($, fame, etc.), but the basic concept is the same. And, yes, it can be a feather in your cap around here, and other places judging by people's logs of "FTF!" to get something completed in a timely manner. If the CO is going to post an order of completion, they should not just randomly place a list! The logs themselves would show a list. Placing it up in the cache write-up, it should be an accurate list.

No, I am NOT saying they signed the final before they completed the challenge! They certainly did NOT cheat! That would negate the value of completing anything. It's only fun if you play hard and play fair. You have not completed a challenge if you cheat at it, and my kids know the would only be cheating themselves and me, if they did cheat. The two kids had already done the hike in the fall (GCF32) that the rest of the group had not. So, they completed the requirements TO log the final the day before the rest of them completed the requirements of the challenge by hiking to their final requirement (GC22D2). The two kids went to the final in the morning, left for vacation at 3:00 pm, and the others did their final hike (GCF32) in the evening after some of them got off work and they were able to drive out and hike it. Then, the rest of the finishers went to the final in the late evening. Just to be clear, are you saying they signed the log before completing the challenge? There's nothing wrong with that, but the order of signatures in the physical log of a challenge cache doesn't necessarily reflect the order of completion. In the context of challenge caches, completion entails signing the log AND satisfying the challenge requirements. Only at the moment that both of these have been satisfied does it become completed. Coming up with an accurate order of completion is extremely difficult, especially if there are multiple completions on the same day. If a bunch of people sign the log early, then later satisfy the challenge requirements on the same day, how do you know what order they completed it in? The order in the log? Nope. The order they logged it online? Not necessarily, because some people may get to their computer faster than others. Again - I'm sorry - earned what?? They earned a smiley. Here's the one the 10-year-old earned: At no point should anyone expect to "earn" anything more than that for finding a cache. Anything beyond a smiley is a bonus and completely at the discretion of the cache owner.

My kids DO have registered acounts, have since 2005, just like me (oldest had to start a new one recently as he lost old e-mail password). However, our family cannot afford to have Premium Member accounts for each of us. Groundspeak's stance (I asked directly) is that they ARE legal to log Premium Member caches. In our area, it is not uncommon to even place a banner with the found order on it. I understand order isn't the biggest thing. BUT... if they are going to place a list, they should give the credit in the order it was accomplished. It's a tough challenge, and for a 10-year old to complete it when very few others,even the state's top cachers, have... Her excitement was great at its completion. It's like telling her the ribbon was taken away because the CO won't play fair. Nice lesson to teach the kids, huh? Boy, this is a PMO cache, and this guy is going to get page views from all over the world now. I've looked at it twice. So it appears your kids don't have registered accounts? I suppose it would stand to reason they are not listed. Again, not being harsh, but I've never heard of such a thing as order of found, and couldn't care less about it. Don't the logs give you order of found?

I agree, and they may just do that. BUT... as long as they ARE posting the order, they should be accurate!

Because she earned it! If they're going to post an order, it should be accurate!

BTW, she REALLY kicked butt on that challenge, too! It included a 13 mile hike, as well as a number of other challenging caches - PRETTY DARN AWESOME for a 10-year old! She deserves the credit she EARNED! Her brother did extremely well, too, not taking anything away from him. He's ony 14.

GC33QNA - My daughter and a bunch of others recently finished off this challenge cache in our area. Though my youngest was the official and actual 3rd to find, and my son the 4th to find (they had to go to the final before the rest of the group that had worked through a lot of the challenge together, because they were leaving on vacation with their dad before the rest could finish the last hike), the owners have refused to post an accurate list of the order of finds. I have posted on the cache page twice asking them about it, and they just delete my posts without any response to the post or the private e-mails that I have sent. It has been a number of weeks, so they have had plenty of time to fix it. My daughter's log includes a picture of the physical log.

Where would a good spot to meet be for someone coming up from Oregon? I'd like to come, and I'm pretty sure my oldest daughter would like to (Haven't talked to her, yet, as she's in the middle of college finals) as she's always up for an adventure! Even is she can't make it, I'd LOVE to come!!

Off the top of my head, if you're looking for a very nice place, Moon Falls has a cache, and the falls are very pretty. It's not a long or hard hike, but not a GRC, either. Spirit Falls are fairly close there, too, but the cache was archived at that one (still a very nice place to visit). So... are you looking for must do caches or quick caches? Cottage Grove has a variety of caches available. []

So... are you looking for must do caches or quick caches? Cottage Grove has a variety of caches available. []