Apollo18

A comment in the El Dorado National Forest (http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showtopic=123482) thread by Marcie/Eric got me wondering. Just how hard could it be to find a crashed aircraft? My initial spot research seems to indicate that its pretty darn hard Not physically finding them, but finding enough information about them to determine the physical location. I've found a few resources (including some listings at wayfinders) by the vast majority of the information seems buried in FAA reports and the like and then you already have to have a pretty good idea of what you are looking for. Other resources give me some general latitude and longitude locations (for example 32 58N 115 48W Navy A-4), but research shows that much of that data is invalid, or is to an access point to the crash site and not the crash site itself. So I was wondering, do any of you do this? And if so, where do you start? I'm not looking for exact waypoints or anything of that nature, I'm more interested in figuring out where to start from a data perspective so I can figure out where they are and what to look for when I get there.

I had the same problem at Brighton in Jan. Great snowboarding (yeah I know such a problem to have) and burried caches

This plane was heading to Pearl as well, or at least thats the story. They have no idea why it took off and went the direction it went in. I didn't know about the B-17 in the Sierras, I'll have to check it out.

I'm not sure what crash site you are talking about here, but if you are thinking of the Navy plane that crashed into Mount Tamalpais in 1944, its a day hike from Mill Valley, six hours if you take your time, four hours if you are in far better shape than I.

This maybe better off as a sub-category of something like "Industrial sites" or something, followed up with sub-categories based upon the type of power plant (solar, wind, hydro electric, nuclear, fission, gas, coal, etc). Location would be determined by the location of the plant sign and a photograph.

This category would be places where a street, road, circle, etc that bears a common first name, meets another street, road, circle, etc that bears a common (or at least plausibly common) last name. For example where Scott Road meets Payen would be a valid entry (Scott Payen) while the intersection of Scott Road and White Rock wouldn't be Obviously this would (as with most other locationless caches) a photo for verification and validation.

I'm currently using my hooligan touring motorcycle (2003 Triumph Speed Triple) and a GPSmap 60 with handle bar mount. I have run into a bit of an issue where either the vibration or the pressure of the mount is causing the batteries to disconnect from their terminals and power the GPS unit down. Either that or I purchased a lemon of a GPS

Is it considered "bad form" or "ill mannered" to pick up one of your own travel bugs and move it along if its been placed in a near by cache for a while? You see, Edward the Astro Rabbit (http://www.geocaching.com/track/details.aspx?id=130863) left his home cache almost a month ago and hasn't moved since. I'm pretty sure that his isolation training is complete...but before I head out there and move him along, I'd like to make sure I wouldn't be violating some "unwritten rule" or law of travel bugs.

In preparation for a cross country motorcycle trip I'm planning on doing in May (shipping the motorcycle to Florida, watching the launch, and then riding it back to California hitting as many space related locations on the way as possible, all before the shuttle lands) I purchased a GPSmap 60 after discovering the Legend (while workable) was going to be too limited for my trip objectives. I've been fairly happy with the 60, however after picking up a mount for it and mounting it my motorcycle I've noticed that it shuts itself off after random intervals. Sometimes it won't even make it through the boot sequence before powering down. Other times it will last twenty minutes or so before turning itself off. I've tried new batteries, old batteries, rechargeable, etc all with the same result. Further troubleshooting leads me to believe that these shutdowns are being caused by pressure being placed upon the back of the unit. I can, for example hold the unit in my hand and press against the back of it (on the left, or CE side) and have it turn itself off. I spoke with Garmin Tech support and they are willing to RMA the device and see if they can repair it, but before sending it I'd like to ask other GPSmap users if they are having this same problem. It doesn't make any sense to me to RMA the unit and get another one that is going to have exactly the same problem. If it is a common problem then I need to come up with a way to modify the mount to prevent this pressure, which could solve the problem.

I'll sign up for a free month.

Thanks JohnnyVegas! Just out of curiosity, how did you find those names? I must be so new, that I'm blind, but I just don't see it anywhere

ThePup, I feel your pain I have a six year old and a five year old, and until the youngest hit about four anything outdoors was an adventure, that made me pine for my Army days. Droping ninety pounds of ammo in razor-edge boxes into your ALICE, throwing that bad boy on your back, hoisting a 26-pound weapon and stepping out smartly...is nothing compared with precariously planting a squirming three year old on your shoulders and giving them nothing to hold onto but your hair.

This thread leaves me with a follow up question... How do I find out who my local approver is?

Wow, thanks for all the replies guys! If I'm understanding you correctly it sounds like, there really isn't a distance limit as long as "its worth it". That said, it also sounds like for those caches that are "quickies" or "kid friendly" the max distance is between half a mile and one mile.

So, how far are people generally willing to hike to a cache? I'm getting ready to hide my very first cache and obviously I want people to visit it, but I also want people to enjoy the trip and views. How far is considered to far from where you park your transportation?