Xopster

It's more likely that the reason why you see more high posters responding to your topic is because high posters get their high numbers from, well, posting a lot. Very profound Jeremy!

Something just occured to me while I was reading all the replies. There can be no doubt that only a handful of elites has bothered to express an opinion here. Look at the posting numbers for those who have replied to my topic: 16000 13000 8000 There were only 2 under 1000 postings. You are not the average cacher, you are Forum Elites. The average Geocacher has a handful of Forum Postings or can not be bothered with posting as he/she is certainly going to be shut down, or one-line heckled into oblivion as has happened to me. Forgive me for the intrusion, I will now return to not bothering with the Forums as I have now remembered why I have been away from them in the first place. See you never.

Actually I think it's just that they decided there is better functionality to support webcams over on Waymarking.com. And I have to agree with them. Why are you so resistant to using a 2nd website? Probably the same reason places like target and wal-mart are so popular, people like the one stop shopping experience. you know the same reason people still use gc.com and have trackable coins and such. yes there are other sites, but its nice to have it all in one place. but, in the other thread Jeremy clearly said there were no plans to bring them back to gc.com, so let it rest. The reason I brought this topic up in the first place was I was asked to by a representative of Groundspeak. I had sent a private message to Groundspeak Support regarding this matter: Hi there, Thank you for your feedback. Since this is a concept that affects all geocachers, I am going to suggest that you post this in the Geocaching.com Web site forum. You can reach this forum at this link 'http://forums.Groundspeak.com/GC/index.php?showforum=8'. Our development team keeps a close eye on that forum, so that's your best avenue to share your thoughts. Eric Groundspeak Inc Ticket Details =================== Ticket ID: KHF-861196 Department: Geocaching Priority: High Status: On Hold This is why I brought it up and this is why I was somewhat outraged that Jeremy Irish would shut down the debate thread in less than 1 day with his I dont give a dam what anyone else thinks reply he gave me.

Ya know there are people that think using a GPSr is cheating, perhaps you should be using a compass and a map to find caches as well. Anone who posts a comment like this is totally disregarding the profound popularity of the WebCam caches, why were they eliminated? Too popular for their own good? So let me get this straight, one day the brain trust at Groundspeak were sitting around and decided to implement Webcam Caches. Several years later the same group were sitting around and decided these WebCam caches are way too popular and we are getting nothing but complaints from the thousands of people who have delighted in finding them. They decide that these WebCam caches are a threat to the very existence of geocaching so we have to ban any more from being activated for the good of the hobby. I happen to know that many cachers got started in the hobby by finding just such a thing as a WebCam cache. I guess I will bow to the elite minority of cachers who post in the forums but are out of touch with the bulk of the geocaching world In your world they are popular I have nevber personally met another cacher in mine that particularly liked them. Now I know why I hate the forums so much, they are full of people who write one line responses to well reasoned commentaries. Get out from under your rock, pick any webcam listed and see how many finders have logged it in a resonable period of time and then compare that to the most popular Regular Cache you can find.

Actually I think it's just that they decided there is better functionality to support webcams over on Waymarking.com. And I have to agree with them. Why are you so resistant to using a 2nd website? I turn the question back around at you, why do we need a second site? I am not inerested in Waymarking.com, if you are fine I would not knock your choice as some here knock mine with respect to webcams caches. Yeah know I guess I am just really dissapointed in the politics here, I thought this was an egalitarian hobby where everyone had the best interests of the hobby at mind. That the success of something would be enough to ensure its existence here, I guess I was wrong thats all. I was at a cache event here a couple of weeks ago and not one person said yeah good for them stopping the proliferation of webcam caches, quite the contrary was the case. "Did they do that? Dam!" "What was that all about" "Another fun thing down the tube" etc. etc. This is what people were saying to me when discussing it. I look at the only webcam cache in the Vancouver area and I see that almost all the top cachers have taken the time to log it as well as hundreds of tourists. Are they all wrong? Do they secretly wish they didnt have the opportunity to log it as a cache find? whatever...

WOW The first thread I chose to post in months and Jeremey Irish closes it after less than one day! I wanted at least one reply to the responses so here it is: Ya know there are people that think using a GPSr is cheating, perhaps you should be using a compass and a map to find caches as well. Anone who posts a comment like this is totally disregarding the profound popularity of the WebCam caches, why were they eliminated? Too popular for their own good? So let me get this straight, one day the brain trust at Groundspeak were sitting around and decided to implement Webcam Caches. Several years later the same group were sitting around and decided these WebCam caches are way too popular and we are getting nothing but complaints from the thousands of people who have delighted in finding them. They decide that these WebCam caches are a threat to the very existence of geocaching so we have to ban any more from being activated for the good of the hobby. I happen to know that many cachers got started in the hobby by finding just such a thing as a WebCam cache. I guess I will bow to the elite minority of cachers who post in the forums but are out of touch with the bulk of the geocaching world

It has recently come to my attention that geocaching.com is no longer accepting new webcam caches, any new caches are being refered to Waymarking.com. I must say that some of the most fun I have had in geocaching has been participating in WebCam caches. Whether it was at a Caching Evenet where all the participants posed for a webcam pic or when I was in Vegas phoneing my friend back home on the cell and getting him to snap my pic in front of the MGM Hotel. I thought that the requirements that the picture quality be quite good in order to stop the proliferation of crap cameras where all you see is the outline of a hand waving in the distance was adequate. Further I know that one of the most popular Caches where I live, near Vancouver, is a WebCam Cache in a touristy area of Vancouver and has been logged by hundreds of people as has the one in Vegas I referred to. I looked up some of the Webcams on Waymarking.com and found them to be interesting for a viewing on the Internet but few have been ever logged and even fewer were of 'Good Quality' and I would never consider searching out these webcams. Please reconsider and allow new Good Quality WebCam Caches as they come available, I am sure I am not the only one that feels this way.

Yeah, thanks. I did that last night still waiting for a resonse from Telus.

Well it is obviously a local issue here then, probably with DNS (dynamic name server) but I still cant get it to load and everything else I surf comes up fine whether new or from cache. I would be interested if anyone else in B.C. with Telus is having the same trouble. I have 5 networked computers here and none of them can load up www.geocoins.ca but otherwise web browser is working well.

I dont see any other references here about this so here goes... I have been unable to log into www.geocoins.ca to log a coin for a few days now. Anyone know whats going on with this site?

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OK just so this thread covers every possible 'nuance' to this question what if this pipe is inserted into a 'pre-exisiting' hole, either natural or man-made? In other words, if I placed it but "I" didn't have to use a "shovel, trowel or pointy object" would that be ok? What if I got a friend to ask his second cousin's girlfriend to dig the hole and I was out of town on that day and wasnt told it had actually been dug until I happened upon the hole by routine inspection? (All bases should be covered by attending a large formal gathering so as to provide substantial alibi on date of hole digging). Hiding a Geocache on Courtenay Love (lead singer of Hole) is never appropriate under any circumstances and will be immediately disqualified by GC.COM. NO EXCEPTIONS! In all seriousness I like this cache concept but I when I read that 'digging' is an absolute no-no I completely rule it out when I am searching so if someone hides one this way I would tend to be a little frusterated with the hider when later on I find out that it did violate this convention. If there are possible exceptions to the 'no-dig rule' than spell them out for all to know.

Well here I am 200+ cache finds later, the hider of The Pig Farm cache. I am sorry some of you have such a bad taste in your mouth, I know that none of you watch Gerry Springer, and that you are all good citizens so this must have really offended you. I was very resolved to just letting this go away quietly but things have been said that really pissed me off from sanctimonious, off the cuff responders that dont have a clue about free speech, and they dont understand the old proverb, "Those who forget their mistakes are condemned to repeat them." They also dont understand the tragedies that affect some people on a daily basis until their worlds are rocked by a New Orleans scale tragedy. I do not like being told what to: Think Say Write or Feel. So go to hell if you intend to tell me otherwise, I should bring that cache back just out of spite but I have better things to do with my time. Now I suggest you all move on to more important topics.

I sure would be interested to read the background as to why this is being considered. I can just see some dumb a** shoving a 1 litre lock and lock down the barrel of a civil war cannon or the like. The irony of this is that Geocaching brings people to these places and generally leads to discovery, awareness and respect of history and or nature. Isn't the point of having Historical Sites to bring awareness of the past to those in the present and future? I just placed a cache near (not in) a historical site here in British Columbia and I have already had comments like "Thank you for bringing us to the history of the area" from people who probably would never have gone there unless a cache was placed. Xopster