Coldgears

Yep, if you like geocaching you will almost certainly like letterboxing. Extremely similar hobbies, and many people do both. The only issue is that letterboxing stats are not as braggable, so many geocachers leave them to the way-side. It's a shame.

Welcome to the club, I think I've stumbled on more than 10 Letterboxes while Geocaching. If it was listed on Letterboxing North America, and/or Atlas Quest, you do not get them added to your stats. Totally different game, and totally different websites. Nah, they both require you to find a container, one using clues, one with GPS coords. I've found one letterbox while geocaching. And DNFed the cache... For 30 minutes. I came back with the group during the event, and someone else found it and I got to sign the log. I always thought they should lower the requirement for distance to 100 feet instead of 500 or so. But I found the letterbox 100 feet away over a creek. Why? Because it looked like a nice geopile... It was, just not for the container I was looking for. So I chucked the letterbox into the creek. I didn't really chuck it.

you are missing the point IT IS FRANCE You missed my point. I realize it is France. I just can't fathom a legitimate reason to argue this. If you lived there and you felt offended that you weren't considered France maybe. Other than that... Not really.

I just like to go into the woods, get dirty, muddy, bloody while bushwhacking. Geocaching gives me an excuse for that. I also have a little button in my brain that makes me instantly feel happy when I make a number higher. The ability to lift a lamp post or put myhand in a guard rail and instantly feel joy is great.

of course they did, they in effect declaring St Pierre Miquelon a country Hurrah! Groundspeak has declared Independence Day for St. Pierre Miquelon! Free caches for everyone! well they claim "consitency", not exactly sure to what but where i live caches are in Ontario, Canada whereas the caches in St Pierre Miquelon are in St Pierre Miquelon ...either a new country or countryless, either way is wrong makes me wonder who thinks up those things?...they must have way too much time in their hands and be extremely bored I think he's upset that he didn't get to say, "hey I was in france". When he really was in an island over 1000 miles away. Before the question is asked, if I lived in Japan I would NOT say I visited America if I visited Hawaii, and if I lived in The Motherland, I would NOT say I visited America if i visited Alaska.

I mostly geocache on the weekends, so when I do I like to pick somewhere nice. The problem is, it's hard to find some of these places. Some of the more saturated places are not as good, and some of the less saturated places are the best place to visit. A couple weeks ago I found this website, which basically lists all the really cool must do side-attractions in america. I'm not just talking like the biggest yarn ball or what-not. I mean like, Washington Cross State Park, and other places most people would love to go. You can even get a free map! I've basically fallen in love with this map. I think this is a great website to encorparate with geocaching! It allows you to go to great places (Where geocaches inevitably are) rather than looking at a map for hours finding parks, and researching that park, it just lists the great parks and you can search for geocaches nearby on geocaching.com What do you think?

What about CCC thread? Is that an exception? Are there more exceptions? Who defines these exceptions?

Groundspeak's disables the blink because it can cause seizures.

Lol, I do stupid dangerous things all day. Ride my bike into the bad part of "town", walk along railroad tracks with no way out if a train comes, swim into the middle of the Delaware (BOATS!)... However, all those times I was too stupid to see the danger until afterwords, I had to jump into a huge pile of thorn bushes... I lost soo much blood off of little cuts instead of getting hit by a train, I was cursed out for looking at someone "the wrong way" and was told they were going to break my jaw in the bad part of town, and had a boat nearly hit me (I then swam back to more shallow water). Luckily, knowschad was here to tell me the dangers before hand!

I would love them... Can I have the link?

Thanks so much! It sure is a shame I missed this cache...

Make a new geocaching listening, and DO NOT select, "This is ready for publishing" instead send an E-mail to the reviewer with the link and ask them if it seems okay. If they say yes wait until you get it done to publish. As for it being agaisn't rules, just don't mention it. If asked just say that the concrete was put there by someone who did it for the parks and recks, and it just so happened that it had the perfect hole for your cache. See the thing is, the parks and recks or companies can dig holes and use concrete for things such as benches, and you can use benches to put the cache on. But you can't make a fake bench, even if the parks and recks want it. It's so easy to get around that rules with permission (No worries, parks and recs won't complain) Even if the reviewer sees it, chances are he won't care.

Today I was searching for the exact address of the Growden Mansion (The place where Ben Franklin flew his kite in the rain). I pass by frequently (3+ times a week) on bike and car, but never knew the official address. I typed into google, "Growden mansion" and immediately noticed the 4th or 5th result down showed this. This cache was not here when i signed up in 2010, and the it was posted in 2007. It must have disappeared. This is a shame, the cache seemed exceptional. It had -Location, Growden Mansion is really historical. (Albeit, it gets really redundant if you see it nearly every other day.) -Fun factor, shimmy up a tree? Yes! -Creativity, the final has a key on it... Just like Franklin. Anyway, I've searched long and hard to find this, I want to know why it was archived and I want to read the logs. Can one of you guys google-fu it for me?

It would not matter if the judge believed you did not know you were trespassing because you were bushwhacking in search of a cache and missed seeing the sign, because knowledge is not an element of the crime and lack of knowledge is not a defense. Of course, I doubt that very many people (if any) would actually be prosecuted under the statute, which only subjects you to a $70 dollar fine (or so) in any event. In most cases, including the example I cited above, the angry property owner simply yells at you for awhile. Unless he is a crazy old guy with a gun. Excuse me for being a .5 mile from the city guy on the east coast. But why would the property owner be on the land. Most of the, "private property" here is land bought for future use, such as cemeteries (when they run out of space) or industrial plants (When they need to expand). I really can't see why someone would sit on the property with a gun. Heck, I've never seen someone Open Carry... In my whole life... And I live in an Open Carry state.

I do not want to argue, but the statute I quoted does not require any specific intent. Again it is a general intent crime. If you miss a sign that was posted three to a mile, you could violate it. Period. Again, it helps to know the rules. That's exactly my point. If the signs are up correctly as stated in California Law you'd have to be blind not to see them. Keep in mind, if you are caught trespassing, even in a state that requires intent, you will have to PROVE your intent, otherwise anyone could say, "Oh well I didn't know I was trespassing", and the judge would say, "Oh you are free to go". Thing is, if someone put up signs correctly as California states you are just simply not going to prove the judge that you did not knowingly do it. Ask yourself this question... If you somehow managed to miss a sign and/or fence that stated no trespassing (Up to California's specification), and you were caught. Do you honestly think that the judge will believe you didn't mean to trespass? Or is it more likely the judge will say that you are lying and should have noticed the sign? If you said it was more likely that the judge will think you are lying, do you think that the law is more strict because it means you get a fine if you knowingly trespassed but there were no trespassing signs (Or if they were they were not up to California's specifications.)?

The key word is UNKNOWNGLY. This means, if it is posted private property, or there is a fence, you could not have not knowingly entered private property. At least, with a fence there you'd have a hard time convincing the Judge you didn't. Actually, in my state, "knowingly" is not part of the statute. It is a general intent crime, meaning that if you pass around a fence or properly posted property (which is defined as three to a mile, so you could simply miss it) you could be prosecuted. In Illinois (which was cited as an example) all it takes is for a sign to be conspicuously displayed at the main interest. Knowingly is actually a more strict word. Let me explain. Knowingly entails both a fence or properly posted property, as you would have to knowingly trespass if you saw these. This makes it just as strict as the well defined law. However, what leaving "knowingly" out of the vocabulary means, if you were to trespass knowingly, AND there was no private property signs (You saw the boundaries on a map, or you had someone tell you it was private property) you could theoretically trespass and get away with it by that definition.

The key word is UNKNOWNGLY. This means, if it is posted private property, or there is a fence, you could not have not knowingly entered private property. At least, with a fence there you'd have a hard time convincing the Judge you didn't. I've never once been questioned for private property in PA though. For example, once I ran into a police officer on private property, he waved at me as he was using the land to give his dog a place to urinate. I waved back. I suppose at that point he would've arrested the 10 people ruining the land on ATV then me just passing through if he really cared. Most of the private property I go on is not in use by anyone other then people trespassing. Just miles of trails in the woods made from ATVers and dog walkers from people living nearby (This is a different set of back-trails than the one the cop waved to me at). I actually hid a cache here not realizing it was private property until I went to check on the cache and noticed a sign. I will still go on the land, mostly because they will go after the ATV and Dirtbikers before me, but I don't want to get myself on the bad side of reviewers. To make matters even more funny, I was riding my bike with a few friends the other day, and it said, "private property trespassers will be prosecuted", (Another set of woods usd by ATVers and Dirtbikers...) and there was a couple dirt bikers on the other side of the fence. As a joke I said I was going to call the police, and one of them said, "They will just laugh at you". He was right, so everyone in the area all laughed and I rode my bike home. I'm not saying hiding a geocache on the land is good, but I am saying I can see where the confusion is coming from.

This right here is why nobody should do caches like this. Some of us are old enough to make these decisions for ourselves. I agree, I am too. I can legally drive a car (Don't have the money to do so, though) If I wanted too I could take a bus to the cache find it and be home by dinner. I don't... Why? Because it's suicide. Fine have your fun, but when you are crushed jam, and I am finding a reasonable cache, possibly even 1000 feet from the place you are at, don't come crying to me. Even the people who seem invincible doing things like this, such as John Bachar die. I won't laugh at your funeral, but I won't hesitate to say, "I told him not to do it" either.

This right here is why nobody should do caches like this.

If there was a 1000 cache powertrail a mere 30 miles from me? I'd be there the next day. I'm hesitant as to if this cache is worth it. Says a lot about me.

I saw that on his magazine facebook link after you guys mentioned it. Someone is not happy. I heavily edited it for family friendly sakes, so excuse the excessive space in between words.

Letterboxing is a sport very similar to geocaching. It involves using clues, rather then coordinates to find a box hidden in the woods. At the end there is a stamp, usually hand-made, in which you can stamp a book that proves you found different letterboxes. The actually stamping thing isn't neccessary though, when I letterbox I don't bother with the stamp. I just like the fun of finding the box. Letterbox Hybrids are just that, a hybrid. The coordinates to the letterbox are posted on geocaching.com, and on a letterboxing website like AtlasQuest where you can use clues instead. Long story short, for your intents and purposes, it is a traditional with a stamp. For letterboxers it is a clue hunt.

Yeah, those xbox games are very time consuming, huh?

If the OP is not interested in my answers, he can ignore them. But the way I read it, he simply used the EarthCache badge as an example ("After seeing badges on people's profiles like 'Earthcacher Bronze Award' ") Sorry, my bad. I thought that the OP meant the real ones, not the ones that you can buy, but the ones that you must earn through GSA's EC Masters program. They don't give you them for free anymore, you now have to pay. And no, you have no need to false log to put a .jpg image on your profile. The GSA's EarthCache Master program? So I can lie and place an image that I have completed GSA's higest level on my profile page? Presumably, yes. Won't make you look too good of a person when people find out. Not against the rules though, I can say I climbed Mt. Everest and put a picture that says I did. Doesn't mean I did, doesn't mean the Groundspeak will remove it. I've seen this done, and was letting huettes know that sometimes it is not true when you see that on their profile.

Phoenixville Tunnel Cache is W 32.1mi from your home location Is it worth the drive in your opinion?