MESG froggysmummy

I only asked for advice.... ok its a while since i posted this and I've since come up with my own solutions (folding stool, grabber, emailing the cache owners with time date etc). Thank you for all those kind people who made similar suggestions, esp like the idea of carrying duct tape so i can tape sticks together. just to clarify a few points 1) i am not one of those cachers who claim caches just cos my gps said it was there. There's 2 i've been back to three times and still haven't got. V frustrating as other people are finding em. There's another i can't get near for muggle reasons. one day it will be quiet enough as i drive past.... I've also set up one of my own that's difficult for muggle reasons. nor have i logged a puzzle one that i (still)haven't solved 2) i have since emailed the owners who were happy to sign for me as it hadn't even occured to them that people might not reach 3)there is no comparision with a cache that involves a mountain trek/boat/scuba dive/quad bike/climbing gear etc and these which were cache and grabs with a rating of one which were intended to be easy. Some of you have been quite judgemental, i'm glad i've already discovered that most of the cachers I've met are not. They are nice, kind, helpful and considerate. Like me they have taken this up because they enjoy the satisfaction of finding them, enjoy the country side and/or want to get their kids interested in the outdoors. After this experience i won't be asking for advice here again...I will stick to my new local caching friends

I only asked for advice.... ok its a while since i posted this and I've since come up with my own solutions (folding stool, grabber, emailing the cache owners with time date etc). Thank you for all those kind people who made similar suggestions, esp like the idea of carrying duct tape so i can tape sticks together. just to clarify a few points 1) i am not one of those cachers who claim caches just cos my gps said it was there. There's 2 i've been back to three times and still haven't got. V frustrating as other people are finding em. There's another i can't get near for muggle reasons. one day it will be quiet enough as i drive past.... I've also set up one of my own that's difficult for muggle reasons. nor have i logged a puzzle one that i (still)haven't solved 2) i have since emailed the owners who were happy to sign for me as it hadn't even occured to them that people might not reach 3)there is no comparision with a cache that involves a mountain trek/boat/scuba dive/quad bike/climbing gear etc and these which were cache and grabs with a rating of one which were intended to be easy. Some of you have been quite judgemental, i'm glad i've already discovered that most of the cachers I've met are not. They are nice, kind, helpful and considerate. Like me they have taken this up because they enjoy the satisfaction of finding them, enjoy the country side and/or want to get their kids interested in the outdoors. After this experience i won't be asking for advice here again...I will stick to my new local caching friends

I have the same problem. I'm only 5 feet 11 inches - and find there are some caches around here that I just can't reach without climbing. There are also some really tricky puzzles nearby that I haven't been able to solve because I'm not smart enough! If I can't be bothered to climb to get them, or I can't work out th e puzzle, I don't log them. i asked for advice, not sarcasm.ok i should have been clearer, i wanted to know how short people reach these so that they CAN sign. i think you will find that any caches requiring climbing do not come with a rating of 1 for ease /access as these did cos they were all nanos on signs and intended as easy cache and dashes for commuters on a busy road i use often thankfully the cache owners have been more sympathetic and agreed to sign for me after i emailed dates times and descriptions.

there's a difference between a dnf on a cache that was intended to be hard and a nano on a signpost and supposed to be a cache and grab, with a rating of 1. for the record i now carry a folding stool and use my husband's grabber when he's with me (til i get one of my own) I have emailed the cache owners with time / date etc who have either okayed it or signed on my behalf. I feel my intentions were misunderstood. i wanted advice so's i could sign these EASY caches. now i'm suitably equipped i can []

i'm just saying thanks to people who gave good advice so, thanks. think i was misunderstood as people have made me out to be a lazy cacher who doesn't sign logs and logs finds cos i was around the area. I do not do that,and i wanted advice so's i could get these supposedly easy cache and grabs and sign 'em. so again thanks

i'm busy saying thanks to all the people who offered good advice rather then slating me, thank you. now have folding stool and borrow my disabled hubby's grabber so can get em for the record all cache owners have agreed to sign for me as i emailed them descriptions and they were very understanding (caches in question were all supposed to be easy) and have signed for me. i do NOT log caches i have NOT found

again thanks for advice as that is what i asked for...its the annoying micros and nanos that are the prob, and they are all classed as easy by the owners! but i've found if i email them it hadn't occured to them that people might not reach..

thank you for (unlike others) posting sensible and non judemental advice. now have a folding stool and borrow my disabled hubby's grabber

they often are on signs round here and are intended as cache and grabs, though they are often part of a puzzle or multi now have a folding stool []

again i feel i've been misunderstood. the cache owners of my cnr have been contacted by email and have signed for me. the caches in question were intended to be easy cache and grabs. all i wanted was advice on what others do so i can genuinely sign the log

Again, consider high terrain caches.. I CAN see the cache 80' up there on the cliff but I am too much of a [FILL IN THE BLANK] to go get it. I think I'll just log it anyway and get credit for a 5-star terrain cache. Silly that you should get credit for a 5-star terrain cache, isn't it. there's a difference between a high terrain cache and one with a rating of 1 intended as a cache and grab. I've since emailed owners with date time description and they've signed it for me...thankfully they are less jugdemental. i stress again i only wanted advice so i cAN sign these genuinely. Thanks to the nice people who took it that way. some of you are downright judgemental, thankfully the cachers i've come to know thrpough this game are nicer

thank you for your nice reply. some of the replies i've had on this were quite judgemental, all i wanted was advice so i could genuinely sign these ones (which were all supposed to be easy cache and dashes). i've never logged a find i couldn't get in any other circs. it really depends on whether the owner intends it to be difficult and these were not. For the record i now carry a folding stool but have emailed the owners (all local cachers) and they are more then happy to sign on my behalf if i give date/time etc as they hadn't intended them to be difficult.

I think this cache is fine because you spell out what to expect in the description and the clue - it's really small, attached, rated high for difficulty and terrain and implies that it's way up a tree and that you may need to climb atop a car to get it. Plus you say "... I will give forewarning, all "Found" log entries that don't have a physically signed log will be deleted." Can't say you didn't warn anyone. i agree and i wouldn't sign this either. the caches in question all were supposed to be cache and dash and all the owners have agreed to sign it for me as i have now emailed them with date/time etc

I have a cache that is in plain view from a nearby trail, but high in a tree on an island 100 meters away. So anyone that walks the trail and happens to see it should be able to record a find? I don't agree and have deleted one log so far for exactly that reason. not quite the same as not being able to reach a cache on a road sign with a rating of 1 for difficulty and terrain and intended as a commuter's cache and grab...which is the case in the ones on my original post. have emailed owners, didn't occur to them it was a prob, they hadn't intended it to be difficult, they've agreed to a) sign it for me and b)put it lower down. yep, if its in a tree and on an island i'd expect them to actually go there too...not the same

Nothing wrong with that. It's not how I play, nor is it how I recommend others play, but it isn't a sin. Guideline violation? Probably. Something to get worked up over? Nah. Kewl! I do too. But I don't get ticked off at how others play a game. I'm not a fan of allowing others to dictate my emotions. Nothing. Other than your own sense of right/wrong. And you knowing that many of those logs will get deleted. Agreed! And a fine $0.02 it was! As said in my recent post i do not record as found a cache i haven't signed in any other circs...(presence of mugglers etc) and i do not sign just cos my gps says I'm there. if i truly can't reach now email the cache owners with time/date/description/location and ALL are happy for me to claim it ALL have offered to sign on my behalf and ALL are a lot more sympathetic and less judgemental then some of you lot.Some have even addmitted it hadn't occured to them that people might not be able to reach and have moved it.I only wanted some advice so's i could genuinely sign these too. Bear in mind the caches i refer to are all on road signs or similar, all with a rating of 1 for both terrain and difficulty. all were intended as cache an grabs. Thank you all those people who made nice suggestions such as carrying a folding stool and a grabber. now do both. all i wanted was to pick peoples' brains for ideas, not an assualt on my honesty.

Nothing wrong with that. It's not how I play, nor is it how I recommend others play, but it isn't a sin. Guideline violation? Probably. Something to get worked up over? Nah. Kewl! I do too. But I don't get ticked off at how others play a game. I'm not a fan of allowing others to dictate my emotions. Nothing. Other than your own sense of right/wrong. And you knowing that many of those logs will get deleted. Agreed! And a fine $0.02 it was! As said in my recent post i do not record as found a cache i haven't signed in any other circs...(presence of mugglers etc) and i do not sign just cos my gps says I'm there.i now email the cache owners with time/date/description/location and ALL are happy for me to claim it ALL have offered to sign on my behalf and ALL are a lot more sympathetic and less judgemental then you lot. I only wanted some advice so's i could genuinely sign these too. Bear in mind the caches i refer to are all on road signs or similar, all with a rating of 1 for both terrain and difficulty. Thanks to all those people who have suggested folding stools/grabbers etc. That is why i posted this topic not to start a debate on what consitutes a find.

I'd like a little more evidence of the find - a photo of the cache, a good description of the cache and where it was. see my latest post....i too agree you shouldn't sign just co you're in the area...

I use my husband's grabber when he's with us, its also good for reaching into nettles

crickey didn't realise this would be so contentious. For the record I do NOT record as found any caches that i couldn't see/get to/have a go at due to mugglers, i go back later. i return to muddy caches with wellies (now permanent feature in car) nor do i log finds that i couldn't get due to a plant related phobia as i know i can come back in autumn/winter for that. I'm not going to grow though...and i get the point with the tree/cliff caches etc but all the ones i see like that do not have a single starred difficulty rating as the ones i'm writng about did. I have taken to emailing cache owners which date/time/location and a description and ALL have been happy to go and sign the log on my behalf [] now have a folding step stool in the van and have started on my own multi cache for shorties

Hi there, I'm only 5foot tall and have just had my 8th cnr (could not reach). Having taken a bit of flak for logging as found a cache that i couldn't sign cos i couldn't reach I wonder what other shorties do? If i am certain I've seen it (e.g. a nano on the back of a tall roadsign) then as far as I'm concerned I've found it. I have discovered its a bad idea to knock it off cos then I can't get it back (and with a nano you risk losing it). If i think i know where it is, but haven't seen the actual cache I don't log it. yesterday there was one wich i'm sure for the clue, is hidden in the rim around a tall gateway structure. Didn't actually see it, so didn't log it. So, shorties, apart from finding a tall person, what do you do?