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Oh [insert rude word here] no! Lololol

When the railways here were abandoned (many, many moons ago), surrounding landowners were given the opportunity to buy the land back. Most landowners figured that nothing could be done with the tiny little strip tracts in the middle of their property. They elected not to purchase it, assuming it as 'free land'. Btw, only 2 landowners bought their portions back. Those 2 landowners are now the main ones (so many years later) blocking an almost completely open 64 miles of rail trail. It's their right, though. They own it.

Yes, but with those forms of social media you have the option of only your 'friends' seeing those posts. With our GC accounts, there is no privacy. Those logs are there for all to see.

Way to go!!! Awesome job!!! Amazing! (Those flying things had me swatting at my screen. Ick!!)

I'll plead ignorance here. Can someone give a quick explaination why navigatint the delta should be so hard ? The blog of the trip in 1983 (1984?) mentioned that they were concerned but they only had paper maps to guide them. Not a fancy gps like these guys do. I'm curious, too. It's all new to me. I've never been anywhere like that before. And the suspense is killing me. Find some wifi already!! Lol

Totally agree!!!!

I'm so hooked on the updates that I'm starting to ignore Facebook! Lol

Well, one reason would be to make it harder for people to find the really interesting (spoiler) logs. If only the spoiler logs are encrypted, then they're easy to find. If every log is encrypted, then you have to search to find the spoiler logs. It's similar in principle to someone shredding all their waste paper, instead of shredding only confidential documents. For someone looking for the important information, there's more irrelevant material to sort through. (Cache owner here.) I just want to say, nirAD, I LOVE that answer! The truth is: it just started as a way to build intrigue during the first week. After finders started encrypting their own logs, we kept at it for consistency. It's easy enough to decrypt them all with a single click (immediately above the logs). I can see why it would be annoying in this venue (but hey, it just takes a click right?). It was never about spoilers. There are plenty of spoilers out there and you are welcome to them. Please feel free to talk freely. I just wanted to chime in since someone out there may genuinely be interested in the reasoning. And in appreciation of such a fine puzzle(s) and awesome location, one of the guys in my party actually further encrypted his log so that the CO could play along, too. It was a fun, fun puzzle and find. One of my faves so far!

If I'm caching and am seen by a muggle, I like to put that cache on my watch list just to make sure I didn't get the container stolen. Once it's found again, I will most likely remove it from my list.

Unless you're a premium member, you don't have the bookmark option. All you can do is add a cache to a watch list.

Private Beach. 153' but I'm guessing it's because it was continuously moved over time due to the water line. Took us two tries to get it. That was one of those very rewarding smilies I was glad to eventually log. I love those kinds!

I'm annoyed when it's a tricky hide and people post spoilers in their logs.....

Oh! And be sure to use an excellent container and place it high enough that flooding won't cause it harm. Then tie it to something. Just think of the challenge you are setting up, because you will have to do that same trip frequently for cache maintenance if needed.

The most important thing is to list it properly. Let them know ahead of time that you will need a boat. In finding one, we found them with ski boats and kayaks. Be sure to mention water traffic. Is it too shallow for a power boat? Too dangerous for a canoe or kayak because of motor boat traffic? And then the fun is in finding the unloading spot and heading out. I love, love water caches! They are super fun! There is no kind of stress that a good paddle can't cure!

I use a camera bag for mine. It's clear and has a locking seal. It either came from Dicks or Walmart, under $5. It has lasted all summer and has withstood my river stupidity very well. It's also smart to put one of those boat key chain floaty things on it. I don't know if the gps will float or not but I'm not willing to place a bet on it. :-)

No, I wouldn't delete the find. Simply because it didn't "mess up the container" in this instance. I would, however, send the cacher an email and tell them where the log is. Usually it starts up a nice, funny conversation. You would be amazed at how many cachers I have met just through email conversations about my container. As I said before, I'm not anal about the cache. I'm just protecting it for future fun. Usually the logs on this cache are very entertaining. When suddenly a stream comes through with "tftc", I know that a fake log is mixed in. Meaning, the cache went from "haha, good one. That was super fun" to "this log was signed by my android".

Have you ever found one of those caches with 100 film rolls in it and you have to find the canister with the correct log? It's like that. See? It's not fair to let someone put their name in just any canister. They have to find the correct one. Everyone else does. And if 75 of the canisters have random names in it, the intent of fun is now gone.... No challenge.

Really? So even though it is fairly clear that they 'found' the cache due to the evidence of their piece of paper being in the cache you would delete their online 'found' log? Thankfully that extreme interpretation of the guidelines is rare in this area. Has your position on this ever been challenged by an appeal to Groundspeak? Really. It's a big black trash can in the back of a paved used car lot with a hot pink sticker on it. Obviously the thrill is not in finding a trash can. And I went for a long time and didn't challenge anyone. However (and it's one of those fun caches where you KNOW that finding the log is a challenge), when someone throws down a piece of paper in the wrong spot inside this cache, it messes it up for future seekers. I don't have this rule for my other caches. Just this one. And like I said, I only do it because to not do it would be poor cache maintenance and tons of un-fun for future seekers.

I have a cache that has a tricky log location. I do actively check the logbook. I will only delete the online log if someone say, "signed log" and they actually put their own piece of paper in the cache, without going to the effort of finding the log. That being said, if they "think the log is missing so I put a new one in there for you", then I don't think I should be rude and delete their smiley when they were being totally honest and trying to "help" maintain the cache. Either that, or it depends on what kind of mood I'm in that day ;-)

Oh- and it's not really something for your bag but equally important is to always tell someone where you are going. Even if it's a group outing. Groups can get lost too.

You never, never want to be without your camera, cell phone, germx, water bottle, batteries and a pen. Everything else is frosting but those are my bone essentials.

Or sometimes bad things just happen. How many times have you reached to get a hold and the rock moved? Its not always carelessness. Sometimes things just happen. Such a sad situation for all involved.

Definitely saying a prayer for him. I'm not only amazed that he was ably to keep calm and keep his wits about him, he also kept his manners. What a level headed move. Hope all turns out ok for him!

My hubby's is TheyMadeMeCome. He is really not into the caching thing....

I'm sorry that this happened to you but I appreciate you posting your experience. I am from a town where we still leave the keys in the ignition in the driveway. This weekend we took a trip to the "big city". Everything, and I do mean everything, is now safely tucked in our hotel room. This includes our four muddy mountain bikes..... But we were nice enough to knock the worst of the mud off first. Even if I might end up borrowing the vacuum cleaner in the morning, I know I will feel safer about it tonight. Thanks again for sharing your story. Not everyone knows how viscous people can be at times. I would hate for my kids to go through what your family did.