c45

I'm relatively sure the cache owner isn't entitled to control content beyond the obvious issues. If it weren't for the offensive term, I fully expect that you could have gotten your log reinstated if you had appealed. I guess I didn't really realize there was any question about that. My point remains that if it means that much to him, why does it mean so much to you that you're determined to defy him? The way you're discussing it, it's as if you want to annoy him just because of the principle. It seems like you are attacking a straw man here. I have no idea where this misconception that I want "to pick a fight with someone" or "annoy" and "defy" the cache owner comes from. I would truly recommend you to re-read the entire discussion to clarify your factual misinterpretations and to understand what I want to discuss (even the topic title should give you an insinuation). To clarify what I have already stressed in my past posts: I am disappointed about the lack of feedback from geocaching.com. I would like to know why geocaching.com (not the owner) censored my log when re-activating it; is it because it contains the brown word (in French however) or is it because they support the owner, for whom the content of the log is uninteresting (even if I would use another word). If it is just because this specific word, I could accept it, reformulate myself and move on. If they instead support the owner and consider my story irrelevant, I am a bit more worried. What's next? To remove logs which do not demonstrate enough gratitude for someone putting out a cache for others enjoyment. I guess there are many potential renegade cache owners out there, ready to enforce their own set of standards. The only one trying to pick a fight in this thread is you... with a straw man!

I think that the French cache owner would have deleted the log with such a formulation as well and probably even more than with a straight formulation. The objection put forward by mail does not relate at all to the formulation of the log, but just to the fact that the reported experience by c45 is not related to the cache and thus not of interest to owner and other cachers. It is this latter point that would motivate me to fight for the log if it were mine. Next time someone might come and delete for example a log of mine because I report that I suffered from knee pain in the descent. Cezanne I am glad that someone understood my main point, as it was not so much to discuss different words or invent new expressions. There are probably plenty of other forums devoted for that. Don't get me wrong, I do find the expressions funny and am a bit tempted to quote them in my log. However, the main question still remains unanswered; to what extent are the cache owners entitled to remove or censor logs and to dictate the content of the log? Sure, I fully understand if someone writes a spoiler or if someone uses profanity....but if the log is not interesting? Who's to judge what's interesting? Everything and nothing is interesting, it just depends on who you ask (and also when you ask). I do understand that it is difficult to mediate between 2 parties, but what signals are geocaching.com really sending in this case? A short summary: 1) cache owner finds my log uninteresting and wants it censored. (so not because of the brown word) 2) geocaching.com censors my log without any further explanation (maybe because of the brown word, maybe not. Who knows?). If I would be in the owners shoes (clean hopefully), I would clearly see it as a confirmation that I have the right to censor uninteresting logs. So, what stops him from repeating this and annoying the next cacher?

Your French is not good. Is this also true of the cache owner's English? Perhaps "uninteresting" is not the proper word for his issue with your log but simply the word that came out of the translator? Thanks you for your evaluation, as I initially wrote, my French is not fluent, but I do understand a quite bit and I do not need to use a translator. however, please feel free to translate the justification from the owner, maybe your translator comes to a different conclusion than me. "Quant au pourquoi j'ai supprimé votre log : pour moi un log peut avoir deux buts : --- indiquer Found It ou DNF d'une part --- donner un détail utile aux autres : que le log est trempé ou plein pour le poseur, que la boîte a disparu, etc. Mais dire que vous avez marché dedans ne me semblait pas un élément particulièrement intéressant pour les autres. C'est pour cela que je l'ai supprimé, et uniquement pour cela."

ok, just to clarify, I tried to practice and improve my French when I wrote the log, so I did actually not write the word "s***", but "merde", which literally translated means s***, poo, excrement, feces, dog bomb or whatever you want to call it. To propose me to use other English words is not really productive. I am also not really fluent in French and do not know all the synonyms for this brown delicacy. Sure, I fully agree to use another word had I written the log in English. The owner emphasizes that the only reason for the log removal is that the log was uninteresting, not because it contains a profanity (which I am not completely convinced that it is in French). As geocaching.com chooses to censor the log indicates for me that the owners may dictate what is interesting and remove unwanted logs.

...or don't they just want us to log it? Last year, I briefly visited France and found cache GC28PD9. Unfortunatelly, I was a bit too focused on my garmin and accidentally stepped in something brown, soft and smelly when I approached the cache. I logged it with a harmless "I found it...and also stepped in s***" (translation of my original log in French). I realize that the word "s***" could be a bit controverisal, but in this context it was not used as a profanity or in any other disrespectful manner, but just to describe my experience. After all, I literally stepped in a brown present. Nine months (!?!) after I logged the cache, the owner decided to remove my log. Simply because he feels that it isn't interesting for other cachers to read that I stepped in something. So, not feeling that it is a spoiler or a profanity, but just that it is uninteresting. The support that geocaching has provided is to re-activate my log ...but also censoring it to a simple "I found it". As I am not getting any feedback or explanation from geoaching.com (which I, as a paying customer, find a bit disappointing) I would like to pose the same question to the community: Is there anything in the guidelines that justify the censoring of my log? Or are the owners entitled to dictate what may and may not be written in the logs, depending on what they think might be interesting. I am sure that I am not the first or the last cacher to inadvertently coat my shoe with a brown cream. Are we in these situations not allowed to share our caching story with others?