metalnewton

i think it was found last month by metalnewton. a metal detector wouldnt work, its a plastic matchstick tube under a small rock.

GC4MZ8P was hidden sept 9 2013 and no finds. 351 DNFs! I searched this place inside out and no geocache. broken glass, rocks, garbage, weeds, dirt, mosquitos, sticks, garter snakes, moss, snails, salamanders, trees, poison ivy, stumps, vines, rain, snow, leaves, ...where is it? The gps is jumpy on the escarpment but it settles in one area. I been there 173 times!

i was metal detecting, had my sons dog with me, he dug up a cache in a hollow tree. So a dog got me started.

I knew there'd be people disagreeing with me, but I feel what I did was right for me and as long as the CO doesn't mind, that's all that matters. As a CO I would allow such a log also. I wouldn't want someone to have to drive a long way 3x for one cache. Like I said, I returned because it was suppposedly fixed up. It was a fence post cap, with part of the cache glued to the underside of the cap and the other bit, I suspect fell down. So yeah, I did find part of the cache. That is a pretty unfortunate set of circumstances. Well to be more accurate - it would be like they only found the lid of your lock n lock. That is certainly much closer to "found nothing" than it is to "found a complete geocache and signed the log", but it is an exceptional circumstance and kind of a gray area. I probably would've logged DNF, but I don't guess that my opinion is any more right than anybody else's. Anyway, I see your point. It is significantly different from what happened to the OP that you: 1. Logged DNF the first time. 2. Communicated with the CO Doesn't seem like you were trying to mislead anyone anyway. I go with no logbook = no find unless it's being accepted to sign the lid etc. a geocache is to have at least a log to sign in a container so a container part or swag is not the log to sign, so you didn't find a geocache unless the CO accepts or doesn't reject signing the lid till its owner maintenance the geocache.

I knew there'd be people disagreeing with me, but I feel what I did was right for me and as long as the CO doesn't mind, that's all that matters. As a CO I would allow such a log also. I wouldn't want someone to have to drive a long way 3x for one cache. Like I said, I returned because it was suppposedly fixed up. It was a fence post cap, with part of the cache glued to the underside of the cap and the other bit, I suspect fell down. So yeah, I did find part of the cache. That is a pretty unfortunate set of circumstances. Well to be more accurate - it would be like they only found the lid of your lock n lock. That is certainly much closer to "found nothing" than it is to "found a complete geocache and signed the log", but it is an exceptional circumstance and kind of a gray area. I probably would've logged DNF, but I don't guess that my opinion is any more right than anybody else's. Anyway, I see your point. It is significantly different from what happened to the OP that you: 1. Logged DNF the first time. 2. Communicated with the CO Doesn't seem like you were trying to mislead anyone anyway. I go with no logbook = no find unless it's being accepted to sign the lid etc.

In the end it is between the cache owner and the cache logger. If the owner agrees that the logger should get their smilie (for whatever reason) they do. If the CO wants to run out and check the logbook for each signature, they can feel justified in deleting the online logs for those whose signatures are absent. Of course when an owner KNOWS a container is missing, they do share some of the burden for the DNF by not doing maintenance in a timely manner. This muddies the waters a bit. what if you find an archived cache by accident that your dog found in a hole, you take it home and sign up at geocaching.com the same day?

cool, so just keep the arrow the same as your walking. Is this easier than looking at coords?

does all gpsrs display coordinates or an arrow to a cache?

Does it show coords or just the direction? Never used a GPSr.