Flintstone5611

Nevermind, just been edumacated!

Doesn't the ISS have a geosynchronous orbit over Kazikstan anyway? Are you sure it isn't just some satellite?

So I have received my third issue from the trial subscription and I am even more impressed than I was with the other 2 issues. This issue featured some good stories and great perspectives from other cachers that made it an entertaining experience. What's in a name? Does TIME only talk about clocks? Would you ever question the quality of Apple or Target (or whatever business that has a name that has nothing to do with what it does) based solely on the name? No rational person would bother to do that. Instead you look towards their offerings, if they provide you with a satisfying product then the name becomes (somewhat) irrelevant. Don't stop at the door based on a preconceived idea, go in, take the tour. Then make your personal decision. What ever the name be I love the mag and it's content and will continue to support it.

+1 for this comment!!

I resent that comment. It is clearly racist hate mongering Bwaahhaahahaahhaa!

I think you are absolutely right. Most of the responses reflect a similar tone. I don't have a problem with firetacks, I have seen them used quite creatively. I wonder why people feel that a nail of equal size and shape is any different? It is a lesson in futility. We can't all agree on everything, but the open (and somewhat frank) disscussion of the issue is welcome.

Won't happen. The perceptions of land managers is a key factor. We've spent years trying to fight the perception that we are "those people who dig up our parks" with a degree of success. We don't want to become known as "those people who drive nails into our trees". Whether or not nails hurt trees is irrelevant. What is relevant is that doing so can hurt our image. What you call mob mentality, I call consensus. Thankfully most of us realize that we are allowed to practice our sport only through the good graces of land managers and that we need to do everything we can to avoid potential negative perceptions. Agreed!

Not a big Philosophy fan, huh? Yup so far we are bursting at the seems with logic, no emotion, just plain old logic. I know! And in all honesty, you got the wrong diagnosis! I have no problem venting about my errors or the follies of my brethren (even if they might). So we are 0-3 As stated in the outset, I have seen it happen (but not to me or mine) and I don't need to change the game for my (or someone I know) creativity...or lack thereof. I wanted people to question the "mob" mentality that I have noticed on the subject. I know that it is hard for some you to believe that others don't have the same motivations for doing things as you have been accustomed to, but I really don't have anything more invested in this than anyone else here. Btw, I thought you were an MD not a shrink?

You guessed it, lol! You could never understand how this has propelled my OCD!

My father died in a freak firetack incident. Actually I was just bored at work.

Actually I am wondering about the inverse. No one has a problem with firetacks, but if I were to put a nail in a tree it would be an act of Eco terrorism!? I like drawing attention to injustices that stem from popular perception. I am not calling for a ban on firetacks, I am asking for an equal opportunity situation for small nails and screws!

Amazing pic!!

Wow, well put!

I agree. One that I enjoyed around here was "It's not in Australia, but another name for that place will help you". They intended you to think of Down Under, which isn't too difficult. Another is, this one could stump you. Actually I have seen both sides and can appreciate the motivation for both. We have a well respected cacher in our area that has awesome hides in equally spectacular locations. Rather than have the area look like a herd of animals went through, he will give it away in the hint. His caches (the forest type locations) tend to last and have limited geotraffic signs. I have also seen very clever hints that require you to use some research or perhaps some specialized knowledge (readily available though). They add a little extra challenge to the hunt. I like both, I have used both.

Finally

So i guess you are for putting nails in trees for caching sake? Your link quoted this: When a tree is spiked, someone hammers a piece of hard material such as metal or ceramic into the tree. The tree is not damaged by this activity, as plenty of hard objects lodge in trees naturally, and trees are able to adapt their growth patterns to scar over the affected area. However, when a logger attempts to cut a tree down, the tree spike will catch on the saw blade, causing it to break or shatter. Even if a spiked tree is successfully felled, it can still wreak havoc at a mill, as a spiked tree did in 1987 when it caused a sawblade to shatter, almost killing a mill worker.

Please check out post #59. Plus, spiking is not what we are talking about, so yes we are again off topic.

I was talking about a nail that would hold up a cache...

Have you ever had a chainsaw come after you?!? When you are working with a chainsaw, the chainsaw will kick, but you lads have been complaining about flying "nail bullets"!! You don't wear gloves, work wear, glasses? Spare me the superhuman circumstances that come with being a lumberjack.

Enjoy the tangent! I have used a chainsaw, I have cut through nails and non-wood debris. If a man is worth his salt, he will wear the right equipment and not cry when he gets a booboo! Try to stay on topic.

Really! wow, they should make those pieces of equipment automated so that they can handle large volume and protect the operator...wait they do!

Excellent point that I totally overlooked. As a former tree cutter, I can attest that hitting a nail in a tree with a saw is bad news. It can cause the saw to kick back. And, yes, I DO eat bacon. Is it normal to cut down trees at chest or head height?

Smart decision, but make sure that you vary the sizes, locations and D/T ratings as you decide which caches to do. Looks like you already know what to look for in the caches that you will find! There is no shortage of opinions on these forums. Take what you like and have fun with the game. Don't let your newbieness shake you. Just because someone finds 5000 tupperware in the woods doesn't make them a better person. You will get out of it what you put in!

Because Groundspeak doesn't sell nails? LMAO!!!

I found a cache like that, it was so hilarious! The CO camoed the keyholder and just put a scr....nevermind.