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You did, I see the EarthCache Master: Bronze Level badge on your profile. You also have the EarthCache Master: Bronze Level badge on your profile. Masters program submission form requires an e-mail.

Its funny, I got the e-mail twice (probably registered different things under different e-mails). Not once did I think about complaining I got it; I read it, hit delete and moved on.

I'm going to guess (and hope) you are wrong. I believe that the e-mails are from one of the following ways: -Old EC submissions required your e-mail (it was done though their site) -The Masters programs require you to include an e-mail address -There have been a number of EC surveys people have filled out that required an e-mail address -I'm guessing attendees at the mega-events provided their e-mail addresses for registration

Define "tried and failed": -Contacted HQ got no response -Contacted HQ didn't get a response you liked -other

Lucky you. For me, every click was a Connection Reset requiring 3-5 reloads to get anything. I finally gave up and it was even worse this AM. Much better now although, a bit slower than usual.

Hey Justin, The site has been nearly unusable for the last 36+ hours. How come status.geocaching.com shows 5 minutes of downtime during that who time? I don't know how Pingdom works but it seems like they must be pinging things (or however they do it) in an odd way if the community is seeing no ability to use the site but they are saying its speeding along.

Did you log any events more than once?

Its back up. I just got the one I ran earlier today.

About 30 min ago I tried to run one and it also didn't run.

Thank you geoawarehq for your post. I am curious where you got my e-mail address from. I don't remember checking any box to sign up for a mailing list or anything of the sort. I'm not saying I am against being part of the list, I just don't like being added without my permission.

I am waiting for a PQ, as is my GF. Something is up (or more likely down).

Probably more likely a 62S.

In the knowledge book article, could we include info on how to turn off Caps Lock, use punctuation and line breaks. Also, advising older browsers to take off personal info from all the pill bottle caches they put out will help.

I have to disagree. In good cachemanship (think sportsmanship), shouldn't you have marked them missing before you archived it so that other note wouldn't have appeared? Had you done it that way, (the right way?), you never would have seen that message. To me, it makes perfect sense that the message comes from your account. You archived the cache so instead of marking each one missing by hand, GC has made it easier and send the automated informational note for you. It says [automated message] so trackable owners should be able to figure out what is going on. FWIW, if you do mark it missing, you get the following:

I've seen the exact opposite with a couple of the ones near me. There is one that is more about a Maritime Forest with no questions about the geology (although, there is a little about it in the text.) I support GeoAware, I was just surprised by it being published.

On the seeker side of things, people need to be more honest in what their doing. If they get caught (which will happen), spill the beans. This is a log from one of the other caches placed be the owner from the series: If they had found it and the lady called the bomb squad, that would make a lot of sense. If they explained, she would have understood (I hope) AND would be less wary (again, I hope), when other people show up... Being honest should cause less problems... shouldn't it? edited to fix typo...

True although, all of the pay parks I have been to, every cache in them mentions that you have to pay. The same can't be said for this area. Back to the CITO topic, good luck, I hope it goes well. The place was very well kept when I was there.

Of course they welcomed us, we have to pay them to find the caches on their property. Will we have to pay to clean their place too?

That's an interesting thought. For me, it's not about paperless caching that I want the additional waypoints. It's for efficiency and easy. I can't tell you the number of times I've put coordinates in my GPSr wrong when I do it by hand. When I'm doing an earthcache, I often have the print out because it is easier to read than the palm pilot when there is that much data. If they add the coordinate as "Spot 1" with nothing else, there is still a lot less of a chance that I will go to the wrong place, put in the wrong coordinates, etc. Relatedly, the additional waypoints are a great way to determine things such as distance to give one an idea of the work involved. If I'm just passing through, I probably won't be doing the 4 stage earthcache with 2 miles between each stage however, with 4 stages in a mile round trip, I might go out of my way. Many times (as with this case that brought up the topic), I've seen this kind of thing not even tell you that. They say Stage 1 is at these coords, lots of info, requirement at this stage... then Stage 2, etc. They don't give times, distances or anything. Without me plotting it out, I'll have no idea. At least with the additional waypoints, I can get crow fly estimates, etc. I have come across destruction left by people who don't read. I've come across destruction left by people who attempted to read the page and found nothing there. I don't necessarily agree with you that it is good enough when it's only on the cache page. It is the minimal one can do. I don't expect people to read all my cache pages and that's ok. If they want to get the minimal out of it that is their choice. However, I try to (and would like others) to maximize their experiences and have all the information in multiple palatable ways. I think of them as minimizing work. If the cache owner puts in the additional waypoints, every cacher who choses to use them benefits and spends no extra effort. When they're not there, you have multiple people doing the same thing over and over again. It's sort of a time waster for all parties involved... This is sort of getting away from the topic though... At least we can agree on something!

Oh, as I said above, I have sent the owner an e-mail and they weren't so sure about if they were allowed, etc. My feeling on things, is if they are not done before publication, odds are, they will never be done. Look at how many old caches are out there with additional waypoints (parking, trailhead, etc) in the body of the text but not as an additional waypoint. (I'm not talking about by inactive cachers either... I mean active cachers). There are lots of them. Every time I plan a trip, I find many many caches like that. While I'm not saying people drop an earthcache and never update it, I'm just saying odds are if it isn't done right away, the chances of it happening are very low. As for the overworked side, I hope not but I can't speak for them. My hope is that if they need help, they will ask. I bet people would help them.

Interesting response from the owner of one of the earthcaches that I requested add geocaching coordinates (rather than whatever format they posted)... I explained how you update a page. Here's to hoping that they will...

Bingo... Geoaware should adopt them over, have the cache owner make the edits, THEN publish it... (Yes, it can be done that way).

Ugh, I'm planning a trip in the near future to New England and looking at the earthcaches up there. There are a lot of interesting ones, however, I think I will be skipping many of them because of the lack of additional waypoints and worse, coordinates on the geocaching page given in some format other than the geocaching standard. Geocaching gives this great additional waypoint feature so we don't have to put them in by hand. They're in a format geocachers can easily add to their GPSrs (even if they do it by hand). I think GeoAware should require that all additional waypoints be added by this feature or at the very least, make sure coordinates on the page are in the geocaching format. Argh...

Personally, I would be happy to be able to got to log one and own one in the same area. I didn't take the time to read them but they both seem like information earthcaches. I don't know how much they over lap. Personally, I think they both need example pictures as well as the one should have additional waypoints added so I don't have to put them in by hand. (My personal pet peeve at the moment is no additional waypoints when necessary. I hate putting them in by hand!)