momof6furrballs

Then I log in with our Team account (the wife's), all is normal and well. Weird.

I was at a geocaching event campout two months ago when a cacher walked up to me and handed me one of my missing geocoins. He said "I just found this in my desk and wanted to bring it to you". It had disappeared from a cache and been missing for 17 months! Yours may well reappear. So mote it be. Hmm... What was once lost, has now been found. MOTL, POTS (dadof6FB)

The guideline interpretations are mostly based on perception. Our game is, for the most part, played on property belonging to municipal, county, state or federal properties. If the managers of those properties developed a belief that we, as cachers, were going to be digging holes to hide caches, or to hide poles containing caches, they would be well within their rights to ban our game from their list of allowed activities. Most land managers see hole digging, by anyone not under their employ, as a bad thing. Groundspeak recognises this, and created that guideline to ward off potential future complaints. Post script: Don't sweat being new. We all were at one point! Thanks Clan! I think that answer is the clearest so far. And coming from you, as a member of Law Enforcement, now it makes sense. -Do6FB

Well, I'm only a newcomer to the game, and don't have the years, thousands of finds, and the wisdom that most here do. I just try to play the game within the established parameters / rules / guidelines that are set by Groundspeak, so I can continue to have fun with this game for years to come. When I read the rule that states: "Caches that are buried. If a shovel, trowel or other "pointy" object is used to dig, whether in order to hide or to find the cache, then it is not appropriate." I interpret that to mean exactly that. Literally. Don't go digging a 3 x 3 hole with the shovel, tossing the rubbermaid into it, and covering it back up with the extracted pile of dirt and expect someone to find it. That part is crystal clear to me, and something I have no issue with. What I'm having trouble understanding, is this example being discussed. Clearly, the cache itself is not buried. The cache itself is that lock n lock. It is placed inside a hollow log / stump / sawed-off pole. The cache is above ground. HOW that object (log/stump/pole) that the cache is inside of got planted into the earth shouldn't be an issue, IMHO. If the issue then is WHO placed that object, WHEN it was placed, and it's original intended purpose... I think... goes far beyond the scope of the original rule. Because for example, and as SOME have stated... if I constructed a fence, on my property, that had the slightest potential of me, sometime in the future, as a Geocacher, using one of the pole caps to place a micro, it wouldn't be allowed because I... dug... the... hole. However, if the fence was already there and in place before I purchased the property, then it's OK. But then again, I own the fence, I hereby giveth myself permission, so why should it matter either way? To me, regardless if it is a fence post or a stump/log/pole stuck in the ground, it shouldn't matter. As long as the cache itself isn't buried, it's OK. With permission of course. Certainly, the permission issue is foremost. In all cases permission should be obtained for the placement of ANY kind of cache. Including LPC's, micros in a fence post, micros in someone's front yard, and stumps planted along side a road. Oh well, shucks. I'm not a lawyer, nor am I the one that created that rule / guideline. I'm just a newbie player trying to abide by the rules to the best of my feeble mind. Thanks everyone for the interesting discussion. I think I found the answers I was looking for. I promise I will never dig a hole. Cache on. -Dad of 6 FB

I guess I had assumed the permission thing had already been granted in my own case. But the OP's situation is such that the discussion is on whether the cache is "buried". It is not. It is in a hollow stump, and above the ground. Now if the OP's cache issue was solely a permission issue, then yes. I can agree with the (temporary) archival. Permission to place a cache is of utmost importance. -edited for grammar. If the hider dug a hole to place the end of that pole into, then it is technically buried regardless of whether the container is below ground or not. It's not a hollow stump, it's a telephone pole which appears to have been partially buried to make it stationary. A simple solution would be to just put it on the ground and build up dirt around the base to give the appearance of it being buried. Then following this to it's logical conclusion, what is the difference between this, and the cache in a fence post cap? They both had a hole dug, and the pole placed into that hole. I'm seriously trying to understand this.

I guess I had assumed the permission thing had already been granted in my own case. But the OP's situation is such that the discussion is on whether the cache is "buried". It is not. It is in a hollow stump, and above the ground. Now if the OP's cache issue was solely a permission issue, then yes. I can agree with the (temporary) archival. Permission to place a cache is of utmost importance. -edited for grammar.

OK, maybe I'm not seeing something here, but the way I see it is that the cache ITSELF is not buried. The cache is the green lock n lock with the Geocache sticker on the side. The cache is placed in a hollow stump post. The hollow post is partially buried, yes. But the cache isn't. Probably a good majority of that post is above ground. The cache itself is above ground. The cache is NOT buried. If this type of hide is a no no, then shouldn't all LPC's be archived? Every one of those light poles had a shovel or pointy object used to dig a hole, the concrete forms placed, concrete poured, and the pole attached to it. The cache itself is in the skirt, it isn't buried. And, perhaps even more closely related to this, every micro-in-a-fence-post-cap cache should be archived. Every one of those fence posts had a shovel or pointy object used to dig a hole, and the fence post put in that hole. Seriously, what's the difference here? Not trying to be combative, just seriously curious and trying to understand the "guidelines", as I have contemplated a similar hide in our area sometime in the future. If the issue is ME personally "burying" the post, what if I hired a contractor to do it for me? Then I come by a couple weeks later... Oh, lookie here, here is a stump post with a hole in it!!! Looks like a great place for a cache!!!! --Question asked by Dad of 6 FB. Mom of 6 has nothing to do with my twisted mind.

There are about 80 - 85 caches within the city limits of Rapid City. They vary from micros / nanos to small and regular cache sizes. You can probably just do a PQ for the zipcode 57701 and a radius of 6 miles or so. If you want to do some in the Black Hills, outside of town, Docster68 has a bookmark list of some popular Black Hills area caches, it is: http://www.geocaching.com/bookmarks/view.a...56-eddb340e4a8f Of course, in a fit of self promotion, we have a series of caches in Rapid City called the "Furrball series". They are a series of 6 micros leading to a Traditional cache "Final" just outside of town. You need to get the number off the log of each one of them to determine the coordinates of the final. It's been pretty popular so far. You could check that out as well. Have fun during your stay here!

Thank you so much. I think I can follow those instructions. I always feel it better to ask, then to have someone mad because we did something wrong.

Over the last two days we have been placing our TBs and picked up a couple to get them moving. First, we found TB27QY5 in GCVG46 but it says it should be in GC1W9VQ. Then we found TB2A8T8 in GCJ7AN but it says it was picked up out of GC12WWM on the 16th. How should we log these items? We are new and don't want to start off using improper etiquette. I have checked the pinned and other posts but still can't find an answer to this problem. Please forgive me if I have over looked something.

Deleted. Never mind, I figured it out.