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I hardly think it's a "special sense" to use the specific definition of the word 'Find' as it relates to Geocaching in a Geocaching forum. And is it about the smiley ? Well there's only one smiley on the map for GC45CC, you don't fill your map up with smileys by logging more YOSM locations... All your posts have done so far is to state the bleeding obvious in that we can carry on visiting these specific trig points but doing so will not be geocaching - and my point is that for the last 15 years it has been geocaching, and so an unfortunate and maybe unforeseen result of these new rules is that the definition of geocaching is being further restricted, and geocaching heritage is being lost.

You can still do it. Nothing is stopping you to do them. I could, but they wouldn't be geocaching trips anymore now would they ?

Fixed it thanks... They are only 4th and 8th most found caches GC45CC is the most active cache in the UK by a lot (22,000 finds where the next is under 10,000 finds) GC43F3 is similarly the most active cache in North America (20,000 finds where the next is 12,500)

Ah, semantics... doesn't take long for it to raise it's ugly head However, to answer your question In Geocaching terms 'Find' is used as a noun, it is used to describe a 'Thing' that is the result of a cacher going to a particular location then doing one or more specific actions, signing the log book, answering earth cache questions etc. In Geocaching.com terms the primary requirement of a 'Find' on GC45CC is to submit a 'Found it' log to the GC45CC cache page on the website So as we will no longer be able to submit a 'Found It' log then we will not be able to carry on 'Finding' GC45CC.

I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I feel about the situation. I already had YOSM gathering routes sketched out for the end of this month, for a weekend away in May, for a weekend away in July, and one in August, and one in November. It isn't simple claiming multiple finds on GC45CC, it takes planning and effort and petrol, but now the powers that be say no more... ... and all to solve an unimportant problem, so some people log a cache twice by mistake - Who Cares ? So some cache owners find their own caches - again Who Cares ? so some cachers bump find numbers up by claiming multiple finds on caches - again Who Cares ? They are killing the two of the top 8 most active caches in the world just so the cache police can better police the find numbers in a game that is about the finds and not about the numbers. I don't understand the argument that some have put forward that you can carry on finding YSM's without a smiley because it's not about the numbers - well if it's not about the numbers why does it matter that people double log other caches ? I have made 125 finds on GC45CC (plus a couple of DNF's - sometimes the vegetation is just too thick to find those buried surface blocks) and that seems like a nice number to stop on. I can't double log caches anymore, but my statistics will still show at least 124 more finds than individual caches and that's only if they sort out statistics for Lab Caches - I currently have 52 Lab Cache finds, so 176 more finds than individual caches, and that gap between the two is going to widen without YOSM's anyway as I find more Lab Caches. Yes YOSM and Brass Cap are anachronisms, they don't fit into the modern cache mould but their quirkiness is their charm, and this new restriction just pushes caching further down the route of identikit caches under rocks at the base of fenceposts every 0.1mile down the trail. The caching world is becoming a much duller place.

I saw this thread yesterday and had no idea what you were all talking about... Then this morning I came across a cache with one in it... So yes, there is at least one still alive and in a cache somewhere in Yorkshire

Same way that all caches hidden in the Armco crash barriers at the side of the road do...

I was out doing a night cache on Saturday in the same area where there was a night orienteering event going on... those guys have some serious head torches - like this one for example (just over 1,000 lumens and a penetration of 140mtrs)

Why, when reading this do I think of Tom & Jerry cartoons ? Remember the ones where there is Butch, an angry bulldog, tied up to his kennel and so Tom draws a line in the ground at the limit of Butch's rope, and everytime Tom comes past he keeps behind the line and Butch comes storming out of his kennel snapping and barking until he gets to his limit to find Tom just out of his reach... I don't want to annoy local residents by my caching activities, and I wouldn't want to subject other cachers to the rantings of an angry resident, even if the cache is beyond the limits of their property... because as always happens in the cartoons, eventually the rope snaps and Tom gets marmalysed

From reading the first post I gathered that the OP is using a Garmin 60CSX for navigating and just looking for a PDA for reading the cache details and logs, In which case buying any PDA that runs windows mobile 2003 or later would do as Win 7 has 'Microsoft Windows Mobile Device Center' which communicates with the PDA's (there are several free programmes available that read GPX files) If you are going to use a PDA for navigating (using Memorymap) I would definitely recommend buying a PDA with a full VGA screen.... 640 x 480 pixels is much better for map reading than a normal PDA's QVGA 320 x 240 px screen

You could fit quite a lot of some drugs in a magnetic key safe... perhaps a red painted one hidden up on the hinge plate of a telephone box door ... just the place to hide your stash... Judging by the condition of the two I went in on Friday night I'm quite happy to not have to go in one again after a cache

Has anyone actually got permission to put caches in Armco safety barriers on the side of roads or magnetically attached to highways department road signs ?

Im sorry if I ever put style when I should of put stile

Got to both agree and disagree with the others about getting a secondhand PDA on ebay Personally I use a Dell Axim X51V with a Compact Flash GPS receiver, 3600mAh battery (lasts 8 hours with the screen on constant full brightness) about £60 all in on ebay... However... then you come to maps, and your budget soon shoots well over the £100 line. There are whole torrents of 1:25000 Memory maps available if you know what I mean (not that I encourage or condone that sort of thing) If you are going to do this, make sure you get a PDA with a VGA display - 640 x 480 pixel... most are QVGA and 320 x 240 pixel just doesn't cut it (my 'alternate' GPS is a Vista Hcx, with Talky Toaster maps... cost a lot more than £100 and I still had to have a PDA with the cache descriptions on for paperless caching... nowadays it only gets used when I'm out on my bike cos it has a handlbar mount and the PDA doesn't!)

have you tried the wap.geocaching.com site or just the main site ?

I'm still confused about what the GAGB is I pay my money to be a member of Groundspeak Can someone point me to a place on the Groundspeak website, Geocaching.com, where it tells me about the GAGB ?

Can I go back to the original title of this thread and ask - Just who are the GAGB anyway ? From reading this thread it appears they were a bunch of early cachers who decided that Groundspeak rules weren't good enough for the UK so they set themselves up as a committee to make rules for the UK Geocaching community I thought they were an 'alternative' caching organisation like terracaching or opencaching until this Wetherby incident

Country Walking magazine are doing the free Etrex as well link here

Spotted a slow worm while caching up the side of Wastwater in May, and an adder when up on Ilkley Moor last summer - as with most caches on the moors the box was hidden 'under a rock', I came across a rock with a suitable opening underneath it, was just going to put my hand in to feel around when I saw the snake hiding in there move... I backed off and looked under the next rock and found the cache ! I've seen a few other adders over the years, mainly sunning themselves on rocks, but they do tend to disappear before you get close to them

I just renewed via my Nationwide Flex account... £18.81 plus 31p commission for changing currency, so £19.18 (exchange rate quoted was $1.594 = £1)

... but you can always watch... linky

To be fair to the cache hider, the Wetherby cache was no more a 'poorly considered' hide than many 'urban' caches I've done up and down the country The Wetherby cache description did stress the likelihood of cachers being overlooked, stressed the importance of being surreptitious, and the Hint described a ruse to cover your attempt to get to the cache. I'm not saying that this excuses the cache owner or that the Wetherby cache wasn't a 'poorly considered' hide... I'm just saying that this cache placement was far from out of the ordinary and should not be thought of as being an isolated example of a badly placed cache.

It is very easy as it has a clip arrangement that locks positively into the mount, but is easily released (one handedly) as necessary

I use a Garmin Vista on my bike... the Garmin mount works superbly, bought mine on ebay for under £14 inc postage

I Like doing the ones where the co-ordinates are in the middle of a river... and obviously so if you look on the satellite view But my favourite was a cache hidden in the hollow tube of a fence post... the fence was around a Middle School... and overlooked by the houses on the other side of the road. Just the place that a single mid 40's bloke wants to go caching Oh and I really hate soggy, muddy camo bags... why bother with bags at all ?