Cheers, sounds like good advice. I am just looking around at all of the posts on the cache page, dusting off the old brain cells, dredging up some old land nav memories (Declination diagram... hmmm, that sounds important), and trying to come up with excuses to visit up Frying Pan way. More of a lark than anything else, just looking for a way to have fun and justify a low "cache count" this summer.