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Ok, so I'm having a network issue I think on my IPhone 4S. My GC app isn't working on my network, only on WiFi and when I go to the website on 4G it says that my server isn't found. But if I go to the web site in WiFi it works fine. Other websites work find on 4G... What is going on here?

I like the idea, but when i first heard about it i was hoping it would show off all the "real" GC challenges out there. Like one cache in every county in a specific state, a cache in every state in the US, a cache on every continent in the world, etc etc... Im really disappointed.

I placed a cache about 15 feet up on an old bridge. When someone found it they saw a log that said " I am not a geo treker and i found it. You suck." It was signed "Ninja" lol.... I couldn't believe it. Really funny though.

I have received these emails from tree climbing groups around STL and in Missori... Brandt, You have asked a question that has been weighing on my mind for years and I applaud your efforts in requesting comments. I also find it difficult to trespass in a public park to climb in their trees without permission. When you get down to it we really have no defense for our actions just because the effort in getting permission is so great. Don’t get me started about “It is easier to ask forgiveness than permission”. The public authorities’ are responsible for preserving the health of their park lands; fauna and flora as well as the safety of the people using them. In that lays the rub- Liability. Just look at the lack of injury from Recreational Tree Climbing as compared with every other sport that takes place in our parks. There are many sports that require permission to use public lands. Some require a just a signed notice of use with or without a user fee; some require a waiver; some require that you pay a bond to pay for the search and rescue team expenses if you fail to complete your event within the allowed time. In each case the authority has the responsibility to determine if you are capable to completing your event without injury, harm or damage to yourself, others or the property. What better way is there than to present your credentials of capability than presenting a diploma stating that you have satisfactory completed a Basic Tree Climbing course based on Acceptable Climbing Practices? An Instructor following the Acceptable Climbing Practices guidelines established by a board of Recreational Tree Climbing leaders can teach you how to safely climb on your own without supervision. The Instructor has insurance coverage in effect while you are a student but you are on your own once you leave the class. The group that I am referring to is in the final stages of formation is called Global Organization of Tree Climbers aka Go Tree Climbing; GOTC; http://www.GoTreeClimbing.org Currently we are composing guidelines for Instructors/Facilitators to meet or exceed for conducting private lessons; public climbs; etc. Our goal is to have ACP’s for all styles of recreational tree climbing. I consider the satisfactory completion of a Basic Tree Climbing class that follows GOTC guidelines the best place to start in building your credentials. The student that has completed to the satisfaction of their GOTC recognized Instructor their ability to climb without supervision should be able to present their credentials to a landowner or public property official to attempt to get permission for recreational tree climbing. If more terms are required, I suggest presenting a waiver stating you hold the landowner harmless in case of injury to yourself and present a certificate of insurance stating you are financially responsible for injury to others or damages to the property. Everyone would benefit with a personal liability policy and if combined with possible additional coverage you will have demonstrated financial responsibility. I am all in favor of campaigning to the authorities to make known that there are proven skill building processes that work and have passed the test of time. There are no easy answers or easy paths but we can refine this process to establish Recreational Tree Climbing as a recognized activity for all ages and abilities. See you at the top, Dan House NOTE: these comments are my vision alone and do not represent the consensus views of the GOTC organization at this time. Aswell as this one, Hello Brandt: I will tell you what I know, but I don't have all the answers. I have been told by some county park personnel that, as far as they're concerned, there's nothing prohibiting someone from tree climbing for their own recreation. However, this is not an official position and I always climb in out-of-the-way places to avoid attention. Likewise, a ranger at Forest Park in the city told me to "enjoy my recreation" when he saw me putting a throw-line in a tree, but I do not have formal permission to climb in Forest Park and I always stay as unobtrusive as possible. It is my understanding, and I'm pretty confident about this, that you can climb trees on national forest land and this is perfectly OK. Of course, you need to get permission before climbing on private property. I hope this helps. Please let me know if there's anything else I can help you with. Also, if you find out any specifics about where you can and cannot climb then please let me know. Thanks and good luck - Guy Adventure Tree Climbing and Experiential Education www.adventuretreeclimbing.org

Does anyone have any information on recreational tree climbing. I have been doing some research and have found that as a general rule of thumb there is no laws prohibiting tree climbing. As long as your not damaging the tree in any way or you are not a danger to others... I found a group in STL called SLAG or St Louis Adventure Group that just recently ( two days ago ) had a tree climbing get together. But I could not find where they held this event. I'm in the process of contacting the person who held the event, and will hopefully learn more. Anyways if anyone knows anything about tree climbing please chime in...

I understand that it may be illegal to climb trees in certain areas.

Tell you the truth, i am feeling better after finding out that it is just that park/ that city that is objective on that specific cache. There "MAY" still be hope for other tree caches.

Thanks Ecylram, do you think a tree cache would get published in one of those areas? I know we could only speculate but what do you think?

OK, since i have posted the first post i have realized that the problem is with the City park the cache is located in, having nothing to do with the state/ county.

Yeah they both do, I moved from So Cal about 10 months ago and ever since it has been somewhat of a hassle to get a few caches published. MO seems to be behind in the "progression" i think geocaching is heading or i feel should be heading.

Ok, well i must admit my first interpretation of the "parks service". I thought it was relating to all MO parks service. After reading back over it i now see that it states the city of Washington MO. But still.

As far as the hunting thing goes in just stating that in hunting it's "OK" to climb a tree, but if your out hiking than it's not ok to free climb a tree?

Ok so i was talking to a friend in Souther California and he sent me this note posted by a very well known reviewer there. http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LUID=12cee9e4-0be9-4b7c-99ea-320386eb5fc9 That sums up Geocaching completely and represents how it should be played.

Ok so there is this new cache here in the STL are called Tree Monkey GC2MH7M. It's located 40+ feet up in a tree. The cache got published on January 29th, and today got archived by a different reviewer. His archive note stated that the parks service doesn't take kindly to people climbing trees. I have two things to say about this, one why did it get published in the first place if it were such an issue. Second it's ok to climb a tree on state/ county land during hunting season to place a tree stand right? How is this recreational sport any different from hunting( in this instance, besides the shooting bambi thing)? I may be mistaken about the tree stand thing, correct me if i am. This just aggravates me a bit. I am one of only two people to climb the tree since it was published and after doing so it seems such a shame that there aren't any more "extreme" caches in the area. Anyway i guess i just wanted to post this to see what others thought of the whole situation.

158 DNF's posted. Although i know for sure there have been more than that.

Ok, so i have to put in my two cents on both issues in this thread. As far as the Iphone issue goes. I have an Iphone and i used it to find over 1500 caches in SoCal. In various locations. From nanos to ammo cans. From urban areas to the middle of state parks and canyons. I believe when using a smart phone i think finding caches is all up to geosense. I have now lived in MO for a month and i found 100 caches, both in the urban area and under tree cover. So i don't think anyone can say anything about smart phones. It is a cheap alternative to enjoying the game. And as far as nanos go, i love them. Both hiding them and finding them. As far as hiding them goes, my motive is to create camo for them and to find a really great place to put them. I think placement is everything with nanos. I hate bison tubes or matchstick containers in a rock hide. Anyway that is all...

I know smaller doesn't mean it better. But I think in this case the camo is great. And I know I always enjoy good camo.

Thank you for your help. I think I'll use it for my first multi .

Awsome, yes that is what i saw. So there are no restrictions on size?. My cache is roughly about 3-4 times larger but not as big as a blinker cache. As for the code word thing, thanks for clarifying.

I have an idea for a cache, but it would be ridiculously small. No room for people to sign, but there would be a small piece of paper. I was thinking of writing something on the paper, like coords to the next cache ( maybe make it a multi )... Or just like a code word that people can write into there find logs to get credit. What do you think is too small? I remember seeing something on the forums about the worlds smallest cache. And i think i remember seeing that something that small wasn't allowed. Can anyone confirm this. I think i saw it in the CCC topic. ANyways let me know what you think. Thanks for your suggestions and your help.