Trader Rick & Rosie

50/50 is not all that hot--maybe you need to check out your Global Positioning System device. Mark a spot, then move a hundred yards away, and try to find it, check out it's accuracy--or are your finds pretty near to ground zero? As your found numbers increase, you will sharpen your "geo-sense" and know better where and how to look. You can also search prior find logs for hints, before you go out. The proliferation of lamppost skirt hides has made the hobby more inclusive, for urban people afraid to be near grass and trees and scream like little girls if they see an insect.. We like caches out in the woods the best, as well. AS for DNF's it is our opinion that only about one in four is ever logged, and this is from years of study of the problem. People are just afraid to post DNF's for fear of looking stupid to others. They don't get it.... If there is enuff DNF's on a cache, then they pile on, tho--feel like they are just part of the group and not inferior. Oh, well. Cache On!!!

We thought it to be too good to be true to have this thread go back on topic. When do Mein Fuhrer and the nazis arrive?

Ah, but you just did, didn't you? No answer to the inaccuracies I pointed out, eh? Reading comprehension, son. Read carefully... That doesn't even make sense. Think before you post. I'm just trying to point out to you that Your ideas will be met with a more likelihood of being considered if you are not so hostile, and lose the wild and crazy accustions.

Ah, but you just did, didn't you? So, it's OK for you to tell someone to get over themselves, but when someone says it to you it , it's a bad thing?? No answer to the inaccuracies I pointed out, eh?

Curious.

And another busybody feels the need to take on the task of policing this hobby. Because a cache hasn't been found yet, it MUST be a hoax?! Good grief -- get over yourselves. What exactly does this cache have to do with you? Why are you presuming to speak for the entire sport of geocaching? Busybody? Really? That's harsh, son. They're entitled to their opinion in a public forum. If we don't police this hobby ourselves who will do it? You? The Federal Government??? the Federation? NOBODY said or implied that "Because a cache hasn't been found yet, it MUST be a hoax?!" The cache doesn't have to "exactly have to do with" a poster to this thread for him to be concerned or voice an opinion. NOBODY presumed "to speak for the entire sport of geocaching," Where on earth to you get all that drivel? Get over yourself, yourself.

In our experience Pepper Spray is not much of a deterrent for Bigfoots. Altho they may look like big lazy stinky adorable wookies, they usually are very intense and purposeful and allow nothing to get in their way when they have a mission. We suggest nothing smaller than a .357 if attacked...

Sounds like you may have encountered a bigfoot, but their hair is usually tinged in Red. Did you notice a foul smell??? BTW, running usually identifies you as prey--paints a big target on your back that screams "EAT ME!" Also, anything big enuff to eat you can probably outrun you. Do you carry a hiking Staff???

We'll take Option 2, Alex!! Seriously, we've lived thru this scenario twice before. Some CO's refuse to acknowledge their cache is missing, I'm not sure why, then they go replace it. Sometimes it's a case of the cache just being pushed too far back into something that it's irretrievable, other times it's real obvious it is in a place you looked (Like a keyholder attached to only little piece of metal in the area...)

We'll take Option 2, Alex!! Seriously, we've lived thru this scenario twice before. Some CO's refuse to acknowledge their cache is missing, I'm not sure why, then they go replace it. Sometimes it's a case of the cache just being pushed too far back into something that it's irretrievable, other times it's real obvious it is in a place you looked (Like a keyholder attached to only little piece of metal in the area...)

Don't listen to these silly folks. It's really quite simple: Just have FUN. Find the cache, sign the log, log it online. Anything else is just so much malarky.

This just gets zanier and zanier doesn't it?

"Easy Steps to Geocaching 7. Sign the logbook and return the geocache to its original location". What is to be misunderstood about this simple noun and verb sentence? More importantly WHY would some people want to argue that this is not an integral part of geocaching? All these never-ending volumes of forum posts that are mind-numbingly ridiculous, disguised as serious, concerned thought. What part of their brains can't get around it? Are they so stupid? NO. Are they evil? NO. Then what's their motive?? What conspiracy is at work here? It's a real mystery, isn't it--kind of like the flat earth folks... Oh, maybe they just like to hear themselves talk. It all sounds like blah-blah-blah to us. Faulty logic and convoluted overthinking. It would be hilarious if it wasn't just a little disturbing. The sky is blue (most of the time). The world turns (Except for once). It gets dark at night (Unless you light it up). Sign the log (If you can).

So basically, you lie to them, right. It's fine if you, as a cache owner, have this requirement. However, GC.com has no such requirement. Nobody is lying to anybody there. The guidelines are quite clear to all but jailhouse lawyers. Sign the Logbook. Nouns and verbs. Quite simple really. To head bang over and over and over and over again that silly mantra that signing is not a requirement is, uh, well, gosh, a lie. You see, we can read. and understand. Just repeating the lie over and over again doesn't change fact. and, by the way, if you consider signing the log to be strictly a cache owners' requirement, that is not "fine"--Additional logging requirements have been outlawed...

Here's the problem with your reasoning: MIGHT not be improper, but it sure isn't FAIR!

SMELLS TO US AS WELL LIKE AN EXPERIENCED GEOCACHER'S SOCK PUPPET HID THIS...

Logs you don't want to see #468 (Is this really a smiley?????) [Found it] September 18 by xxxx Found marker but no cache this was second attempt may no longer be there Allrighty, then! You looked twice, that's good enuff!

Logs a cache owner never wants to see #567 (revealing "additional hint" in log and admitting (duh) they don't know what a word means) which means they don't have access to the internet to look it up, so how do they participate in geocaching, gosh I don't know: [Didn't find it] October 10 by xxxx Too much trash, no idea what a cairne is Com'on people!!!!!

nanos.

LOGS A CACHE HIDER NEVER WANTS TO SEE FROM A NEWBIE #566: [Found it] September 19 by xxxx Co-Ordinates were aboyt 25 feet off ... re-set to the location.

The world IS full of good people. This is just a lonely person who only feels 'connected' or 'relevant' in the world when they are getting negative attention from others. This person is really insecure. For every person like this one, there are 100's here who do go things, often with out credit. OK, let's not get all covered up in gooey unicorns. This world is a very dangerous place, and there are a lot of really nasty people out there, ready to get you.

Actually, the truth is most cache owners want their finders to sign the logbook. This is not an "extreme" view. We never delete find logs if the online log says they couldn't sign for valid reasons. And we don't check the logs to the cache page. The extreme notion that signing the log is an "unneccesary (sic) technical rule" would be laughable if it was not so troubling. Again, as we have said, breaking the rules can ruin the fun for everybody. There are actually reasons for rules...

Six Pack PBR Longnecks! small log ziplocks to replace those ripped by frenzied geocachers.

Six Pack PBR Longnecks! small log ziplocks to replace those ripped by frenzied geocachers.

In a previous life, we were a FTF hound and competed with other local hounds to be first to find, and we amassed scores of them. It was a lot of fun. Nowadays, we have a different deal. Here's what we do. We'll go hide three caches near each other along the canal or on a causeway etc. But we don't release the second one for publication until the first is found, and the same for the third. That way one person doesn't automatically get FTF on all three. It spreads the chance of being FTF around a bit. But plenty of times the same cacher makes three separate trips out there just to be FTF. We make 'em earn it! I know that makes them hate us, but that is just the way we are, ornery.