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I like this idea. 1-800-CACHEME (1-800-222-4363) is available. All I gotta do is hire 2 or 3 assistants, get a good internet connection for us all, and advertise heavily.
Now, a smart business person would leave it at that... but I would go even one further and build a database of cacher contacts based on the folks who called. Then, when someone calls and claims they need help with a cache, and they have gotten to the end of their patience with looking, I can offer to call a previous finder and for a small payment hand the frustrated cacher over to them for assistance.
Kinda like a phone-a-friend, but in this case it would be contact-a-finder!
For a small fee of $5.00 a month to participate, I think we could have a business ready-to-go. Offer other services such as immediate logging of the find for the caller and directions to the nearest caches via google maps, and we could really have something!
And just in case that doesn't get us some business, I'd hire Torry.
I will do it for $2.50 a month!!!!!!!!!!!
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I vote for some other country other than the US. Let's be fair to the other countries.
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Oh no.
I like jeeps but the complaining that goes along with it..........................................................
Five bucks says someone complains about the handling of this contest even before the are released.
(Another 5 says it's today)
Oh man, this is such hooey! Not only can I not wait for the Jeeps to come out, I have to wait for the 2 to send me my cash!
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There's no real cache container to visit.
It's just a cache page that you post a note and "drop your bug" on the web
I think one is listed as being out in an ocean, but it's not really there. It's just a graveyard for TBs.
Last I knew, and I know someone will prove me wrong, all the known graveyards were eliminated. Now, who wants to post a link to one and show what a dumb donkey I am?
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Reading the Forums, which seem to be a series of disputes about what's OK and what;s not, is there a case for a group of Elites.?
Usual condition is relatively wealthy,
but only great Traditionals Placed and consequently Found.No one mentions numbers, but everyone "knows' by logs. No whingeing of any kind.Invitation only ?, any backsliding, kicked out.High annual fee?
I know I don't qualify, but if there was one I would strive to attain membership.
Within or Without GC.com ? (heresy here ?)
I am not allowed to reveal anything about the Inner Circle, nor to confirm that it exists. And no, I am not wealthy.
I hear that if you've had the opportunity to log THIS CACHE you ARE in the inner circle. Mana from heaven.....
That is just a decoy to hide the real inner circle. That is where they let folks who almost made it in.
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I never got a survey. This isn't a very fair survey if I didn't get to take it.
I guess maybe the lefties have someone inbedded in the mailing department. LOL! This is probably the first time and place I have EVER been accused of being a lefty! Seems like the world is turned around in here!
It wasn't directed at you paint. It was just a joke.
I knew you were joking but the funny part is that it is true! gc.com is probably the ONE place in my life that I am a liberal. Though I could just say I am libertarian......
This is really cracking me up!
(entering manic phase .... muuuuust taaaaake medicine)
You work in a library?
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I never got a survey. This isn't a very fair survey if I didn't get to take it.
I guess maybe the lefties have someone inbedded in the mailing department. LOL! This is probably the first time and place I have EVER been accused of being a lefty! Seems like the world is turned around in here!
It wasn't directed at you paint. It was just a joke.
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With this new feature will Groundspeak be taking a hard stance against pocket caches then?
We can start with taking a hard stance with hijacking this thread maybe?
Any interest in contributing to this thread? No? Then stop posting please. Thanks.
No hijacking intended. I like the feature. My understanding of what I read was that this feature was created due to the recent controversy. Bowing out of this thread remorseful.
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With this new feature will Groundspeak be taking a hard stance against pocket caches then?
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... If you're interested in finding out the prevalent attitude of geocachers in general, you might inquire about the results of the recent survey that was done.
Ummm... This is a recent survey regarding the prevalent attitude of geocachers in general.
I honestly believe that those that lead with the argument that forum posters are not representative of all cachers is silly. It is an attempt to minimize the opinions of those that disagree with you and I think its pretty transparent. Look around. We are a very diverse group and generally hash out all sides of issues.
One possible reason that the general consensus has been overwhelmingly against the recent actions is that the actions are wrong and, in my opinion, dishonorable.
Oh yea?
Then why hasn't Groundspeak released the results???
Riddle me this Boy Wonder: How long ago did we all take that survey anyway?
I never got a survey. This isn't a very fair survey if I didn't get to take it.
I guess maybe the lefties have someone inbedded in the mailing department. -
I vote for the email of the hider idea.
On a side note, man you guys have been busy caching. You guys have almost found more caches in 2 months than I did my first year.
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Paint, have you thought that maybe where you live is one of a few places that accept these practices? I think the majority has spoken and showed that at least in these forums, the majority doesn't like this crap.
Possibly but if you check my profile, you will see I travel a lot to cache and have visited and cached with cachers in many states and even countries. My comment was not based merely upon cachers in my area but cachers I have met and cached with from many different areas of the world. The overall negative opinion of the forums is widespread and common - even prevalent in my experience. My point is these forums are not representative of the overall geocaching community or their attitudes. Therefore, a poll taken in here is interesting and reflects the general attitude of the forums ONLY. If you're interested in finding out the prevalent attitude of geocachers in general, you might inquire about the results of the recent survey that was done. That may shed some light on this issue - if not specifically, at least in general.
Ok I am inquiring..........spill the beans
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If there are, say, 100 Reviewers and 100 vocal posters, you have 200 people making the rules for the millions who play it!
Number padding
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This poll serves what purpose? 1% of all cachedrs are going to make decisions for the entire caching community?
How many different angles can we come up with to attack? The threads lately remind me of a shark feeding frenzy.
I've got a good mind to quit these fourms altogether because you people are making me sick. I cannot believe that people I've come to respect over the years are acting like this. You are attacking fellow cachers over something that doesn't make a dadgum in the real world or the caching world. It's just an excuse to be idiots.
Now if you want to pile on me...jump on.
El Diablo
Thank you for expressing my opinion! Unfortunately the prevailing forum attitude is why I am here. I feel it is important that I at least try to speak reason on some of these threads if for no other reason than to show that the majority opinion in here does not represent the prevailing opinion in the real (non-forum) geocaching community.
If they dogpile you Diablo, they will have to dogpile me too.
Paint, have you thought that maybe where you live is one of a few places that accept these practices? I started this thread because TAR said in another thread this
Ultimately geocachers collectively own and set the rules of the game. Groundspeak has to satisfy geocachers needs to stay on top, and does a great job of moitoring the will of the community.
Unfortunately, one of the indicators of what geocachers want is these forums. The Reviewers have an outsized voice here, as do a few (as a percentage of all cachers) regular posters.
So, what you are seeing more and more is that Reviewers and vocal posters to this forum run the game, and directly or indirectly advise or affect Groundspeak's guidelines.
If there are, say, 100 Reviewers and 100 vocal posters, you have 200 people making the rules for the millions who play it!
If you want change or to make a difference in the game, then, you have to become one or the other. The important point is that you CAN make a difference - you don't have to accept the game as dictated.
You may not become a Reviewer, but if you make your voice heard here in a consistant and logical manner, and encourage your friends to do the same, you will form a concerted voice that helps run the site, and thereby the game.
Groundspeak will listen to the majority or somebody like Google or whoever has adequate resources will take their business away, and I expect Jeremy is well aware of that!
This IS your game, take ownership! The Groundspeak servers exist to serve you - if you don't like the game change it! You may hear posters saying play it our way or leave, but I bet you won't hear Groundspeak say it...their worst nightmare is that we just might!
Ed
Going by what he said, I started a poll just to see where everyone stood without the argueing aspect of why these things are or aren't the right thing to do. Just a plain and simple yes or no on the issues that have come up in the last few weeks. I think the majority has spoken and showed that at least in these forums, the majority doesn't like this crap.
I said earlier in the post that maybe these things are common place in your caching area. Here in southern Illinois, they happen very rarely. The locals make a lot of fun of the folks with BS numbers. The newbies who had a lot of respect for some of the high number cachers lost that respect when they were told how a lot of the smilies were found. There are a few people around here who practice logging anything under the sun. The problem is now everyone doesn't care to respect them anymore.
The leaders in this geocaching community ought to be teaching new cachers respect and the right things to do. Not how to walk in the grey area of the guidelines.
I have seen a lot of people say that the guidelines don't specifically say a word about some of the topics........Well, that almost reminds me of Clinton asking for the definition of the word IS.
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This poll serves what purpose? 1% of all cachedrs are going to make decisions for the entire caching community?
How many different angles can we come up with to attack? The threads lately remind me of a shark feeding frenzy.
I've got a good mind to quit these fourms altogether because you people are making me sick. I cannot believe that people I've come to respect over the years are acting like this. You are attacking fellow cachers over something that doesn't make a dadgum in the real world or the caching world. It's just an excuse to be idiots.
Now if you want to pile on me...jump on.
El Diablo
Wow, you respected me?
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I spent all day today finding caches I had previously found just to move the bugs in them. Of the caches I visited, one didn't have the bug in it that it was supposed to. I know a lot of folks don't hunt caches just for bugs, but sometimes bugs get stuck in caches that have been out for a long time. I ask this. Take one day this month and run a pq of caches you have found that have travel bugs. Visit some of the caches that have been out in the wild for a long time and revisit them and move the travel bugs held within.
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Jeremy, can you and the staff make a decision on what is acceptable for logging of caches? This would make life as a cacher so much easier. You have said previously that you didn't want to be cache police, but if there was a hard set rule, there would be way less arguements.
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GC.com is sporting a friggin' HUGE black eye, but they are refusing to look in the mirror. I tried to hold the mirror up to them, but they LOCKED my thread. My appeal is as yet unheard.
That just depends on your perspective. You see it as a bad move, others say "Finally".
Let me be perfectly clear. I have yet to defend pocket caches. No matter how you twist it. I don't as a general rule log them, but my standards are MY OWN. Go back to GW3 in my stats and tell me how many pocket caches I logged there.
My issue is with the UNPROFESSIONAL manner in which these changes were made and the collateral damage to legit finds/finders on the actual caches that were archived. It's baaaaad business plain and simple. How hard is it to get that idea across intact?
Snoogans,
With all due respect. You know I like you. GC.com didn't strart this problem, they are trying to end it. For people that have been caching as long as you and I we both know that logging pocket caches or TB's that you didn't find in the traditional manner is not in the spirit of the game.
I remember GW3 where all those TB's were laying in the back of the truck and people were copying numbers as fast as they could. I personally don't care what anyone logs. To me it's not a numbers game. It's not GC.com's fault that people tried to bypass traditional means. The guidelines have been in place for years. There was no need to give a heads up that they were going to crack down on this practice. I've seen so many posts lately that make even me back up. There people that used to be friends that are no longer speaking. For what?? As Jeremy once put it we are looking for tupperware in the woods.
Let's all move on to happier things.
El Diablo
El Diablo I agree with what you just said. My thoughts are that I don't understand why people look at the simple guidelines which I think mostly cover everything and say............Well, the guidelines don't specifically say this is not allowed, so I think I will do it. I think the problems lay with people are trying to stretch the guidelines because they don't specifically say that something can't be done.
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Do you feel logging event caches and/or pocket caches is a correct thing to do?
Do you feel the record set at Geowoodstock should stand as legit?
Do you feel that the record found caches in a 24 hour period should allow the finder to set their own rules?
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Try to remember that it's not YOUR game for you to make up the rules as you go along. This game is being managed according to the rules and procedures of Groundspeak and Geocaching.com. They have invested a lot of time and effort into making rules that are easy to understand and allow us to enjoy this game with a minimal impact on the non-playing populace who view this game as nothing but a form of organized littering. If you do not like playing the game their way then, please, feel free to invest in your own servers and website and lawyers and staff and set up your own game.
Absolutely and totally incorrect!
Groundspeak in no way controls or regulates this game!
They regulate what gets listed on geocaching.com and how it's listed - period.
That's why the title Approver was changed to Reviewer - Groundspeak wants zero responsibility for caches, cache placements or cachers, only for cache listings. Therefore neither they nor their Reviewers rule the game, they just rule Geocaching.com listings.
Your Reviewer does not approve your cache, he/she simply makes sure the listing page conforms to Groundspeak Listing guidelines and, if so, allows it to be published on their site.
If someone sues you over something that happened hunting your cache, or if you are arrested hunting a cache that was placed illegally, hey, Groundspeak didn't approve it, they just listed it!
You can play this game any way you desire, but if your cache is to be listed on Geocaching.com it must conform to Groundspeak's guidelines.
Historically Groundspeak has been wary about even regulating logs on listings, though that seems to be changing. At one time the log was seen as the listing owner's property and was protected by Reviewers from flames and ugliness, but otherwise left to the owner as to who logged it and how.
Groundspeak being the biggest and most beloved in the geocaching listing world it's probably moot whether they own the game or not, but cachers need to be clear on this anyway.
Ultimately geocachers collectively own and set the rules of the game. Groundspeak has to satisfy geocachers needs to stay on top, and does a great job of moitoring the will of the community.
Unfortunately, one of the indicators of what geocachers want is these forums. The Reviewers have an outsized voice here, as do a few (as a percentage of all cachers) regular posters.
So, what you are seeing more and more is that Reviewers and vocal posters to this forum run the game, and directly or indirectly advise or affect Groundspeak's guidelines.
If there are, say, 100 Reviewers and 100 vocal posters, you have 200 people making the rules for the millions who play it!
If you want change or to make a difference in the game, then, you have to become one or the other. The important point is that you CAN make a difference - you don't have to accept the game as dictated.
You may not become a Reviewer, but if you make your voice heard here in a consistant and logical manner, and encourage your friends to do the same, you will form a concerted voice that helps run the site, and thereby the game.
Groundspeak will listen to the majority or somebody like Google or whoever has adequate resources will take their business away, and I expect Jeremy is well aware of that!
This IS your game, take ownership! The Groundspeak servers exist to serve you - if you don't like the game change it! You may hear posters saying play it our way or leave, but I bet you won't hear Groundspeak say it...their worst nightmare is that we just might!
Ed
Dude, I reread your post. I think that even you can see that the voices have spoken. The majority (of forum users) have said that all the bs that happened at woodstock was not what the majority wanted. You had your little thread of posters of the good things at woodstock, and I don't doubt that all that was said is true. But, in the only thread that was positive about woodstock, no one defended the record finds and no one defended the pocket caches.
So why do you continue on?
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GC.com is sporting a friggin' HUGE black eye, but they are refusing to look in the mirror. I tried to hold the mirror up to them, but they LOCKED my thread. My appeal is as yet unheard.
That just depends on your perspective. You see it as a bad move, others say "Finally".
But Snoogans is never wrong.................well except for everything I have seen him post since before GWIV
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Groundspeak in no way controls or regulates this game!
They regulate what gets listed on geocaching.com and how it's listed - period.
Ed
Fine then, your record just got smoked. I single handedly found 400 caches in a 24 hour period yesterday. I am choosing not to log them online. It is by my rules that I am doing this. Just like your record was by your rules. I expect you to send me the trophy in a weeks time.
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Maybe next year Jeremy can allow Mega Events to break all the guidelines. He could charge the event a few hundred dollars.
but only great Traditionals Placed and consequently Found.No one mentions numbers, but everyone "knows' by logs. No whingeing of any kind.
I guess maybe the lefties have someone inbedded in the mailing department. 
Jeep 4x4 2006 Geocaching Challenge
in General geocaching topics
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I think that makes us even if I remember right.