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One that I have right now want to visit mountain-tops and bars. I can help with the bars...the mountain-tops, not so much. Another one that I have wants to go to Orlando. Nothing odd about that, true, but the poor thing has been going in circles near Seattle for nearlya year. Has a grand total of 80 mile or so on it. My favorite was Pete the Party Pelican. He wanted to go to parties, so (with permission) we took him to every party we went to for a whole Summer. We put him in a cache in the Fall, and he promptly vanished. Dammit.

The best thing you can do is rescue them. Especially if they are in caches that aren't visited very often. Don't worry about photos.

Short answer is yes. There are a lot like that in this area. Including one of mine.

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The guide doesn't say anything of the sort, there is no "needs" to sign anything. If I get to GZ, find the cache and the log is soaked and unsignable, I'm logging the find. The guideline says: The guidelines also say: Therefore, if your signature isn't in the log, there is the chance your log could be deleted, and Groundspeak may not necessarily back you up if your log does get deleted. Groundspeak only guarantees your online log if the physical log was signed. I think it's generally understood that all cache owners (except the handful that allow armchair logs) require that you sign the log. That's one of the core pillars of geocaching. The part that varies is whether the cache owner ever compares the physical and online logs. If they don't, then they're working with the honour system. Those that do are very much in the minority. To be on the safe side, you should always have some proof that you've found a cache. The best proof is to sign the log. If that isn't possible for whatever reason, you should find some other way to prove to the cache owner that you did indeed find it. If it's an evil, well-cammoed, or cleverly hidden cache, you might be able to give them a detailed description of how it's hidden that only a finder would be able to provide. If there isn't anything too notable about it, take a picture of the cache and/or its log with some identifiable features in view. If you ever log a find, but weren't able to sign the log, make sure you say so in your online log and state that you can provide further proof if requested. If you do any of this, Groundspeak will very likely reinstate your log if the cache owner deletes it. Thanks for the clarification, I guess I'm just hacked off because the CO didn't contact me at all before deleting my find, worse, they removed it based on what someone else posted. I have pics and other evidence to backup the find if needed, but wasn't even give the chance to prove it. If the CO is going to be that hard lined on log signing, they need to put that in the ache description. The reality is that there are no rules or guideline saying you must sign the log in order to claim a find. The sections of the guidelines quoted by The A-Team are more of restriction on when cache owners may delete logs. These guidelines have developed over time in response to a number of issues. What they do allow is for cache owners to delete log that are bogus, counterfeit, off-topic, or otherwise inappropriate. At one point in time, cache owners could create addtional requirements to log a find online. Now only certain geocaching related challenges are allowed and other requirements can no longer be enforced. The wording of the guideline is that physical caches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed [regardless of any additional requirement that a cache owner may have posted on the cache page]; cache owners were told to stop enforcing any additional requirements they had. It has long been accepted that when you find a geocache you should sign the physical logbook (if at all possible). Signing the logbook provides verification that you found the cache - both to you as the finder and to others who come later. Where I disagree with The A-Team is the statement "I think it's generally understood that all cache owners (except the handful that allow armchair logs) require that you sign the log." The truth is that the overwhelming majority of cache owners are reasonable about online logs. They understand that there are times where the physical log cannot be signed. They even accept that sometimes a cacher forgets a pen or perhaps was so excited to find the cache that they forgot to sign. The overwhelming majority of geocache owners would not delete your found log if you found a wet mushy log that you couldn't sign. There's no prize, no leaderboard, and no trophy, so there's no reason to get your knickers in a twist over trivialities like not signing a log book. Sure there have been cases of someone sitting at home in an armchair posting logs for caches they have never been to. Since these generally are pretty obvious these logs get deleted by many cache owners. Generally, these accounts get reported to Groundspeak and are banned. These are not the same as someone who occasionally forget a pencil. I almost like the idea of requiring the few cache owners who insist on deleting online finds when the physical log was not signed to mark the cache page some way. I think a big scarlet letter P would be appropriate. I doubt this will happen though. Toz, there is a requirement for signing. From the knowledge Book Logging of All Physical Geocaches.

In situations like this, it's really between you and the cache owner. I think the cache owner should be free to choose what they want to do. Personally I would prefer to avoid bad blood, in something that is supposed to be fun, but the cache owner should be able to decide. I'd like to see a tag or attribute on the cache itself so CO could indicate that a validated and signed log is required to register a find, kind of like a moderated forum entry: not posted until read and validated. In this scenario, once the CO acknowledges a find, it's in stone and can't be revoked. This makes the CO just as responsible to validate as the catcher to log the find. If this attribute isn't used by the CO, then the honor system applies. Without something like this, you will always have jerks who log finds who didn't and jerks who remove finds because they can. No signature on the log=no find. There is no honor system, except in your imagination. From the knowledge Book Logging of All Physical Geocaches.

There is no honor system when finding a cache. If you didn't sign a log book, then you have no find, unless the CO gave you permission to log it. Here are the first two sentences in the knowledge book regarding loging finds on the website. (I highlighted the first sentence to ensure you would notice it.) "Physical geocaches can be logged online as "Found" once the physical log has been signed. An exception is Challenge Caches, which may only be logged online after the challenge requirements have been met and documented to the cache owner's satisfaction." And, here's the link to the whole thing Logging Physical Caches Bottom line is, you are cheating. I wonder how many of your 529 finds are, according to the Groundspeak Rules of Logging, false, and therefore need to be removed. You might want to familiarize yourself with the requirements before you go calling people anal-retentive. I'm gonna guess that you have never looked at them in your entire 3 years of semi-caching. One other thing. I've been at this for 8 years, and have never had a log deleted, and never used the "honor system" you appear to use. Coincidence?

I agree. I know it's a pain that you did all the work and lost the location, but this is FCFS. As far as "placeholding" is concerned, the Reviewers frown on it a bit, unless you happen to own the spot. They might let you slide for a short time, but not for several weeks/months. I've been questioned on 2 placeholders over the years. One is on my property, and when I told them that, the concern ended. The other was on a memorial where I was planning on putting a micro. I had just received permission for the guy that is in charge of the memorial, and that's the only thing that saved my bacon on that spot. If I hadn't had permission granted so recently, the cache would have been archives, and I would have been out of luck.

Because they think we're grown-ups.

Considering you started off here as abusive, I suspect that you were at least that bad in your mails to them. If your mail was half as obnoxious as your posts here have been, I'm surprised they answered at all. I wouldn't have. You can probably kiss your tb goodbye. One more thing...get a spell checker, will ya?

You put all 3 travelers that you own in the same cache yesterday, and no one has been there today. Geeze...relax!

This will sound blasphemous to all the Icon (*$'s) Chasers, but there was a time (back in the old days) when nearly no coins were trackable. You may have found one of them.

This also presumes that the folks looking for the cache are looking in the correct spot. GPSr's do not have absolute accuracy, as we all know. When the cache was hidden, the CO's readings could have been off, or the machine belonging to a seeker could be having a bad day. Overhead power lines can screw up reception, just like a canyon of buildings. There are also areas that just play havoc with coords for no apparent reason. I live in one of them. I have a cache that one seeker just can't seem to find. The coords on the page will take you to within 10-15 feet, and that's about as good as we can expect in this area. Others have found it with those coords, but he insists that my original numbers can't be right, in spite of that. I suppose his relative lack of experience, as compared to the folks that have found it doesn't come into play.

Normally, to make any changes to an archived cache, you need to contact the Reviewer that published it. If said Reviewer isn't active any longer, then leave a Reviewer Note if you can, or shoot an email to another Reviewer.

There is no "required" time. There is a recommended time, but that's it. The cacher that that had it (yes, it's been placed in a cache) has been playing for 4 years, and has moved over 300 trackables. I really think the OP was having a hissy over not much.

Yup. it was 2006. That's the first year I got to hug Ambrosia.

Yeah, it looked very much like an agenda-pusher to me as well.

Surprising is more like it. Every time I've had to talk to them, it was a struggle

Wow! You guys are getting tough.

When it's published on geocaching.com, I'll put it on the calendar.

Yes, I occasionally do a sweep of my caches and delete duplicate logs. If asked I just tell the cacher I deleted a duplicate log. No one has pitched a hissy fit. Well, it looks like I'll have to log a duplicate on one of yours, Jim. When you delete it, I'll throw a hissy-fit, and then you'll not be missing one. How's that?

Wow! Sorry about the tick infestation. I grew up in Kansas, and that's one of the things I really don't miss. Here in Washington State, most people don't even know what a tick is. When I go to Texas (tick-land South) I always grab my brother. Ever since we were kids, he's been a tick magnet. The ONLY time I've ever had a tick on me, he wasn't there.

The offending cache was archived today.

Have you heard? The tall ships are coming to Bremerton in August and there's a Geocaching pirate event brewing!! The Lady Washington and Hawaiian Chieftan will be dockside in Bremerton and Captin' Avroair and Captin' Goblindust are planning a spectacular piratical event. Click HERE to go to the Geocaching event page. There has been some confustion about the event and sailing onboard the ships. Here's the straight dope from the captains --- To attend the event it is NOT necessary to board the ships. The ships are being chartered by Captain Goblindust for those who wish to book passage on them and enjoy a 3 hour pirate battle at sea. One sailing is currently booked but there are still openings available on a morning sailing. For those attending the event but NOT sailing aboard the ships there will be lots of activities for everyone to enjoy. The local Bremerton businesses and the Bremerton Marina are involved in making sure that all of you, sailing or not, have a great time. Here's a quick list of what you can enjoy during this event: THOSE NOT SAILING Treasure hunt in downtown Bremerton Find Flat Stanley Treasure Hunt in town for the kids Boardwalk Treasure hunt for those who don't wish to walk around downtown Scratch to win prizes Coloring books at the Bremerton Marina office for kids Facepainting Dockside food vendors including beer, ice cream, and coffee THOSE SAILING Enjoy all of the things above plus Onboard poker game Life size Stanley photo op for the kids Stanley pirate pinata Climbing aloft, setting sails, walking the plank and firing the cannons! Please note--- all of these things are still in the planning stages and could improve or drop off the list without notice. Make sure you check THIS SITE for more detailed information. See you there! Arrrrrrr!

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