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...we can only hope, now that the application is ready, Garmin show some love to abandoned Colorado users too...

Oh, c'mon... I can't imagine someone being this awkward... if you don't need it, fine... but the fact that you don't need it doesn't mean nobody in the world shouldn't. I can make a very good use of a Track Manager and Waypoint Averaging, so?

Look, if you kept win98 for so long, it seems to me that you don't like to change things THAT much... so although I am not a MS guy I would recommend you to get a new hardware because of DVD-RW, USB 2.0, and the new hardware drivers , and use Windows XP SP3. That will bring you to 21st century with minimum impact. XP was designed to be a transition from win98. Anything else will be too much different and, eventually, will have an negative effect. After playng around with XP for a while you could consider installing an Ubuntu over Windows (without partitioning) just for the heck of it and if you like and if everything you need works fine then finally switch, but not now...

Hey, I have been in their website... It appears they have a pretty solid product... Those videos are impressive, especially about precision, fast boot and high sensibility. And those maps are really cheap...

Sorry, lame argument to compare two different industries. The electronics industry led the consumer to get used with a different process: The hardware and the software are two different parts of the product. The marketing pressure makes the hardware engineering department to get the hardware PLATFORM ready ASAP an then the product is released, bugs and all. Then, with the product on the market, the software engineers start to collect market feedback (exactly what is going on here) and decide to fix the outstanding bugs and to drive the system (hardware + software) to what the market asks. If industries thought like you, you would still be using the Windows XP released in 2001 or whatever other obsolete OS. Manufacturers have a RESPONSABILITY with the consumers, especially because Garmin expects we continue to buy their maps and stuff. Besides, the market is a moving target and Garmin cannot launch a new, monolithic product, everytime they want to compete. They have to iterate their current platform and drive it to the better response, it makes much more sense from an economic point of view.

Totally agree. But they are so close to changing this that would be plain stupid not to do...

Exactly. I started this thread because I love my Colorado (honestly, I do). If I thought it was a piece of junk I would get rid of it instead of come here to complain. The point is: only because I like my CO I need it to be feature complete. And we are not talking about mind-blowing extravagant new features like satellite imagery... I am just asking for a lousy Track Manager and Waypoint Averaging !!!

Yes, but they are different products. The Colorado is the only with an external antenna jack and I think the Oregon is more on the recreational side than the Colorado. Besides that, the Oregon algorithm tends to favor stability on the track instead of precision by averaging more times before marking a moving trackpoint. There are reports of the Oregon "cutting corners" because of that. I think the Oregon is *not* the "next Colorado" (someone who who owns both can see that) they are complimentary products to different markets and I think they should be kept in the same level of maintenance... **That** is what I think Garmin is overlooking...

That is exactly what annoys me the most.. I think people that want these features must become much more vocal about it. C'mon people... talk about it in the forums, call support, e-mail Garmin. That's what made they drag their gigantic *ss and at least tried to fix the "drifting" problem...

Another Colorado update (2.9) and yet nothing about the single two most awaited features: - Track Manager - Waypoint Averaging I really can't understand why a device that focuses so much in geocaching misses these two tools that are so important to geocachers in my view. In most cases accuracy is of greatest importance when PLACING a cache and have an enormous, uncategorized, hard to mantain Track list isn't too friendly either. I don't know about you guys but this really pisses me off...

I agree with every word. That doesn't sound like the two most difficult implementations ever... especially because there are other products with those features. Colorado has the potential to be the new 60CSx, people are talking about Averaging and Track Manager for ages, since the launch and Garmin is playing deaf. I am used to this new release process when hardware is shipped way before the software layer is ready, when I bought my Colorado I believed in it's potential but it seems that Garmin is abandoning the project halfway. Hope there is more and more competitors soon...