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You'd be better off posting the question on dixiecachers.com I know of 3 in Birmingham. I'm also planning on placing 2 more. There are also 2 really good ones in the Bankhead National Forest, and at least one in Huntsville.

We've got tons of 4x4 caches here in Bama. I've placed 2 small 4x4 powertrails and 2 5/5's and on one a winch is required.

20 feet? How thick were the woods? That's like the length of a fullsize crewcab truck.

I've got two 5/5 hides. One of them was placed as revenge for a nano-in-a-pile-of-rocks and it took the FTFr's 7 hours to sign the log.

I volunteer in an ICU and they go through dozens of these a week. I need to get them to hold some for me instead of just throwing them away.

Yeah, especially in Montgomery I carry a Kimber .45 and a Kel-tec P3-AT for a BUG. I like the Kel-tec because I can keep my hand in my right pocket on the grip ready to draw and it looks like I've just got my hand in my pocket. Left hand on the GPS. When it gets cooler I can keep it in my jacket pocket enabling me to fire from the pocket. I carry a Taurus .44 magnum for the woods with the first round a snakeshot load. Yeah, carrying with your hand on the trigger is the way to go!! Uh, no. You always keep your boogerhook off the bangswitch until you need to shoot. The most common technique is hand on the grip, index finger alongside parallel to the barrel, and outside of the trigger guard. C'mon, keeping your finger off the trigger is one of the 4 basic rules of firearm safety.

Yeah, especially in Montgomery I carry a Kimber .45 and a Kel-tec P3-AT for a BUG. I like the Kel-tec because I can keep my hand in my right pocket on the grip ready to draw and it looks like I've just got my hand in my pocket. Left hand on the GPS. When it gets cooler I can keep it in my jacket pocket enabling me to fire from the pocket. I carry a Taurus .44 magnum for the woods with the first round a snakeshot load.

When you look like I do, they're more scared of you than you are of them.

I've been averaging 60-70 per day I go out caching up until last week when I hit 158 in a single day over 16 hours. And that was including our group doing 11 off road caches that I'm the CO on. I have done powertrails by myself and boy do they get boring! But with a group of 3 or 4 caching friends it's an absolute blast.

Hey, here's a fun fact: Federal law regulates ammunition. Just like alcohol and drugs. It's the "F" in ATF. Maybe you've heard of them? Reasons? Here you go: Ammunition is a regulated product. For some people it's illegal to have in their possession and it's illegal to give (or sell) it to some groups of people. Just like (wait for it) prescription drugs and alcohol. In some parks and forests it's illegal for anybody to enter with guns and ammunition (as well as knives, fireworks/firecrackers, explosives, tobacco, prescription drugs, and alcohol). Geocaching is open to everybody- all ages and backgrounds. You can't leave a regulated item inside a cache for the next person to pick up because that person could be a minor or other person that is prohibited by law to possess the item. There are plenty of areas where the local cachers have had to fight tooth and nail to retain the privilege to place physical caches. Often these areas are the same ones that have strict prohibitions against what you can and can't bring into them. When regulated items like knives, ammo, cigarettes, booze and drugs start showing up in other caches (regardless of "permission" or location) and word gets around to the land managers of these locations that may be all the reason they need to deny future caches or ban existing caches. Thank you, that's all I was looking for. Just because you own a gun doesn't mean jack. Chuck Schumer and Richard Dailey own guns, as does Michael Bloomberg.

A more accurate example for the last few posts would be... (Child making racket) Parent: "Don't do that" Child: "Why?" Parent: "Because you will wake your sister" Child: "Why?" Parent: "Because the neighbors will complain" Child: "Why?" Parent: "Because I've asked you to and given you the reasons." Child: "But...why? I'm going to make the racket anyway, why should you try and stop me?? It's only human nature that I make racket because I'm a child." You've been given the reasons for the guideline, but you're putting your fingers in your ears and saying "na na na na I can't hear you na na na." Would you like to now argue that the "no alcohol and drugs" portion of the guidelines is just a whimsical suggestion? After all, it does say "shouldn't"... You're equating alcohol and drugs(which have laws regulating them) to be on the same level as a little .22lr round (which in itself is harmless)? You sure you're not a holophobe? Please explain "You've been given the reasons for the guideline" since your only answer so far is "because the rules say so." Give me something other that a circular answer and maybe you'll get more than a circular response.

My attitude is that people are going to do what they want whether you approve of it or not. Especially when there is no legitimate justification as to why. **I'm NOT implying that's my intent, only that it's a part of human nature... (Child making racket) Parent: "Don't do that" Child: "Why?" Parent: "Because I said so" Child: "Why?"

You're still missing the point. It's not about the perception of landowner of your WMA shooting range, it's the perception of the landowners at other places- just like the "no digging" part of the guidelines. Tell you what. Tell your local reviewer that you're going to start leaving live ammo as swag. See how they respond to it. Ask them about your idea to place one on the firing range while you're at it. The "cache every 528 feet just because" portion of the rules were taken out not that long ago to make way for power trails. The guidelines don't say anything about this now. There's a heaping bunch of things the guidelines don't tell you not to do. You can't argue a negative. What they do ask is that you use common sense- leaving live rounds in a cache is not using common sense. I already stated I wasn't going to put ammo in as swag, obviously you didn't read that. There are several caches at ranges in AL and there will likely be more. Digging is destructive to the land the cache is on. Especially if xx number of cachers start digging in random spots blindly trying to find GZ. http://www.geocaching.com/about/guidelines.aspx#sat states "Please don't hide every 600 feet just because you can." It's there right now, are you saying "The guidelines don't say anything about this now"? Nevermind on this, looks like you corrected your post You stated that hiding ammo in a cache isn't about safety, and it was more for the property owner, the perception (which at a range would be acceptable), and local laws (which there are none concerning this in most places). Then you said it was about "common sense". Please explain what you mean. Alot of the "common sense" laws don't make sense. And you never did answer my question about snap caps.

Where does it say prohibited? It says should. Should implies a guideline but is not implicit or explicit. I personally would never leave primed ammo in a cache, but I have no problem with someone leaving ammo in a cache. You can't spend your life worrying about whether someone is going to follow the rules or not. Personally, I'd love to find a box of ammo in a cache. Ammo is expensive! I'd pull the bullets on a few random rounds and then recrimp them and use them at the range. What about snap caps? Does that still strike fear in the holophobes? That'd be a cool piece of swag to leave.find. Actually it says "should not". It has nothing if anything to do with safety and much, much more to do with the perception of land owners and managers in areas where we would like to place caches but can't. It also has to do with local laws in some areas and, to some lesser degree, with the perception of whoever finds it and how they react to it. For the same reasons there should be no knives or fireworks/firecrackers. You're barking up the wrong holophobic tree. So you aren't scared of a snap cap then? So you're saying that it's not about the safety aspect, but more about land owners' perceptions and local laws? Well then I could hide a cache at the local WMA shooting range (behind the line) which has dozens if not hundreds of leftover .22lr rounds laying around. And since they have no problems with caches or with ammo in caches it's okay? After all "should not" is not the same as "do not." We "should not" place a cache every 528 feet just because it's possible, but the rules don't say "do not".

Where does it say prohibited? It says should. Should implies a guideline but is not implicit or explicit. I personally would never leave primed ammo in a cache, but I have no problem with someone leaving ammo in a cache. You can't spend your life worrying about whether someone is going to follow the rules or not. Personally, I'd love to find a box of ammo in a cache. Ammo is expensive! I'd pull the bullets on a few random rounds and then recrimp them and use them at the range. What about snap caps? Does that still strike fear in the holophobes? That'd be a cool piece of swag to leave.find.

No, don't think he's learned his lesson yet! I nearly convinced him to go after my 5/5 the other night after the AGA dinner. Yeah man, when you're back in town get in touch with me.

I've gotten stuck a number of times. If you're not getting stuck, you're not going far enough into the woods. All of these Jeeps posted claiming to never get stuck then show them in dry areas or on rocks - duh, go find some bottomless mud! Got high centered on a berm just this week. You can't tell from the pic, but it's really steep behind the truck at the top of a powerline road. I pulled this guy out last year: Only to get a call from him a few months later where he got stuck again. I came and pulled him out, then decided that we'd get to the cache in my truck. Then I got stuck, we shoveled it clear and I drove out. Then we got the cache, headed back and I got stuck again Shoveled out and drove out again. Here's the log: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/log.aspx?LU...84-5ee20e92b56f BTW, they named a cache after us and placed it at the location where we got stuck: http://www.geocaching.com/seek/cache_detai...7a-cd529392a96b I've yet to get this one stuck, although it is 14,000lbs: