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It splits it based on activities. Keep the buying, producing, creating, and such lumped together and keep the trading, sending, and games together. It seems this is the biggest difference between the two main thoughts of coins and would best serve the group as a whole.

A nice start but this might be a little too specific. Besides, it's already thought to be that cointests would fall into the area with missions. What if you... The Travel Bug - No Change General Geocoin Discussions - All purpose Geocoin Discussions Geocoin Commmunity Corner - Cointests, Missions, pinned trading thread

What's wrong? Can't handle people actually discussing for a solution instead of fighting the whole time. Sorry it's not that interesting to you. As for the one person, you really should do your homework before opening your mouth so as to not come off as, well you get the point. There have been over 250 posts by at least 58 different people. Yeah that is really one sided now isn't it! If you are really that bored, maybe you could come up with ideas to help rather than just post to complain and try to take away from the progress that people are trying to make. Thanks for understanding. Sorry if I might miss your next couple well thought out posts though as I am going to continue trying to come up with a solution that will make the majority of the people here happy. Have a great day though.

I'll agree to it. Where do I sign? This has been my stance since the begining. I feel there is enough of a connection to coins to remain here, and I undertsand the difference in area clicks. Now the hard part is getting GC to actually start the new area, that is after you get all the other people to agree to this format.

How about the other way around since the coins are what the site is about and the secondary thing would be the cointests and missions. I think this is something that most would be able to live with. The ones wanting coins can find them in that section. The ones wanting cointests and missions can find that easily. Both could fall under the geocoin header and would be two seperate forums in the same area.

I guess you have changed your view since you posted this: So either they are OT and should be moved or they aren't. Which is your view/vote? You can't have it both ways.

No one waas saying they need to go, just be moved. That is the spin some people are using to gather support for their "cause" of not moving them and allowing them to remain as is. Seems some people are afraid of change. Like you ? I think that we as a part don't want to move Nope not afraid of change at all. I want change. I have had to deal with change since the inception of coin after coin being produced without regard to caching, courtesy, or even copyright. It's why I buy a lot less coins now. I don't understand your second line.

Yours is only one view, and not the view of the entire community. You even admit it yourself in your post that these are mostly off topic, but yet you think they should be here just because they make you feel warm and fuzzy? Please. Whatever happened to just posting where it needs to be? You guys act like posting in the off topic area would make your words somehow fall on deaf ears. Heck I am all for you having a place close to here and not having to play in the big parking lot called OT. Give you guys a small parking lot to park the bus and play your games. Wouldn't be better for you who wants to play games to go to one place and see nothing but missions and cointests. think of it as your one stop shop for fun without the hassle of looking at all that technical stuff about coins. The point is this place needs cleaned up and needs so badly. The community needs the ability to come to the Geocoin Discussions to find, well, you know, Geocoin Discussions. Otherwise change the title to Geocoin Discussions and the games they play.

No one waas saying they need to go, just be moved. That is the spin some people are using to gather support for their "cause" of not moving them and allowing them to remain as is. Seems some people are afraid of change.

After watching over the weekend, labeling the threads has worked great. I would still like to see that the contest threads close after they are complete. Which I've seen that happen since it has been discussed. I wouldn't go as far as to say it works great, but it is more helpful than the way it was. I agree it's not great. WE will never get a true view of where the community stands as alot of the people who hated the way the forums have gone, just don't bother posting here anymore. For those who think it has no adverse effect and this is so vital of a means to be as one, this should be a prime example of how much this has driven people away.

I admit I don't read every thread but I must have missed something here. Were the mods really ready to implement rules on all cointests prior to this thread? Why do they have no choice in the matter? If its on the foiurms here send me to the post..... They didn't outright say that. It is the context of my post you are reading into since it was part of a longer dialogue is all. You would have to go back and read it to follow it better.

Nothing wrong with giving anything away. But this is a forum following a set of guidelines. What's wrong with posting the off topic contest in the off topic forum? I mean rules aren't a bad thing and are in place to help the majority of the people, not just the few who want to play in contests. I personally don't think the cointests are OT. When I run one I would like to direct it to the appropiate audience ie coiners. For the most part they are not in the OT thread. I agree half way, if ya follow. I think this area is where the split needs to be to make all parties happy. Let the cointest people have their area, but keep it close enough to home that they don't get homesick. It truly seems like the easiest solution for so many people. The only thing in the way is getting GC to agree and do it.

Nothing wrong with giving anything away. But this is a forum following a set of guidelines. What's wrong with posting the off topic contest in the off topic forum? I mean rules aren't a bad thing and are in place to help the majority of the people, not just the few who want to play in contests. But if you are giving a geocoin away why would you put it in the off topic forum, shouldn't a geocoin be placed in the geocoin part of the forums? This is like a big circle. Because the prize doesn't make the thread relevant. Eartha has even stated that, so it must be law now.

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You are contradicting yourself. You stated you wanted rules about cointests and to run them past the mods. Now you don't. Which is it? What good are recommdations if they don't have to be followed? Guidelines are here for a reason, not a suggestion. Imagine if we were allowed to do anything we wanted and didn't have to follow the rules, because they were just recommedations. Yeah that would work!

Nothing wrong with giving anything away. But this is a forum following a set of guidelines. What's wrong with posting the off topic contest in the off topic forum? I mean rules aren't a bad thing and are in place to help the majority of the people, not just the few who want to play in contests.

It sounds like thick skin is a pre-requisite if you wish to venture beyond the confines of the cointests, missions and sales pages Nah not at all. I would rather have it said to my face than behind my back. I can at least respect that whether I agree or not.

If the intention is right, and generosity is not a bad thing, but the imagination for coming up with a cointest isn't the greatest.... c'mon, cut them some slack. I'll be the first to admit that there are some less than stellar cointests out there, but we've got folks from all over the globe and different ways of thinking and different cultures, different personalities, and some of them don't have a concrete grasp on English and nuances, either. Like Chantal said, there is less than 10% cointest in the first few pages of threads. She went through and actually calculated. How about some recommended guidelines for cointests. Something like if you want to run a cointest for more than 24 hours, run it by a mod first. Change the number of times that you can enter the cointest. Some don't give limits on how many times you can enter, others do have time frames - anything from once every 10 minutes to once a day. What about a recommended guideline of mimimum time between entries being once every 3 hours or limit it to 4 entries per day? I actually ran my cointest that I'm running right now by Eartha first to get her feedback. I listend to her and took it seriously and put some limits in place, such as only one entry every 6 hours, and a definite time when the cointest will be closed. If you're ever in doubt on a cointest you want to run, the mods are here for that reason! Better to put it off for a couple of days and ask than to put up a spur of the moment cointest that has little or no thought behind it. I'm not a big fan of the mods, I won't lie. I was banned for reasons I thought were really hardhanded, I've had posts deleted for reasons I didn't agree with, but by the same token, I do know that they are there to help, and will get back to you if you ask them sincerely. The cointests are a lot like the coins. Some you like and get really involved in, others you don't, and don't give them a second look. I DO understand what you're saying and I do agree that there are some cointests out there that could have used a bit more imagination, but when all is said and done, it IS still someone being generous and friendly and trying to make the forum a welcome and nice place to be. And that ain't a bad thing, is it? Wait a minute. One minute you are calling for no new rules, then the next minute you are saying we need more rules. One minute you are saying how helpful the mods are, the next you are slamming them for banning you for what was obviously a guideline vioaltion, which I can say because you basically said it in the post you opened that thread and new what was coming. I am more confused on which side you are on than ever. I do not agree that just because someone is being nice means they should get free reign on the forums anymore than I feel the prize makes it relevant. Sure nice is great, but Nice in the right place is better than nice in the wrong place. I would also like to add the mods are not here to approve every single cointest. They are here to enforce the guidelines. They are doing the best they can and overloading them with this kind of stuff isn't needed. How about we just use a bit of common sense when posting a cointest? How about we cut back on them all together? Whatever happened to too much of a good thing is bad? Just because you *insert common everyday thing here* doesn't mean we all need to know nor do we have to have a cointest about it. How about making them special and meaningful. If they are as common as oxygen molecules, then they won't get noticed for being unique.

When I said these discussions always turn bad was more a general statement than in reference to your comments - sorry if it sounded that way. What I was getting at is that when ever we start an interesting topic, it tends to get derailed with irrelevant points and we never get to any real discussion. (again, not your points as I do agree with them) Unfortunately, it always seems to happen when a 'usual suspect' tries to get a point across. I tend to like the things I hear from the usual suspects and even though I wasn't around, I yearn for those days too Of course there are some great new things too and some missions and cointests can be fun. My only point is making subforums takes care of the issue for both sides without hurting the community Nah I didn't take anything you said to be directed at me. I was just responding in general basically. Plus I have way thicker skin than that.

So how many people did you know here when you first came here? How much did you know about coins before coming here? My point is, this place was foreign to all of us at one time, but we all learned from it in one way or another. You have gone there one time and didn't have an interest in those threads. Maybe you should try running a cointest there and meet a few people. Maybe some more from here will follow you there and make it more homey. That's homey with a Y not a homie with an ie . I mean you aren't just cutting and running back to here after one visit are you?

Check their finds. I know of one who has more coin designs and sales than cache finds. My personal opinion is they are here to fill a void in their actual life. I feel sorry for people who are like this. Truly, not in a mean way. I don't understand it but it happens in lots of forums, not just here.

Some of us new people do agree with you.. I think your point though is that this should have absolutely nothing to do with an 'us vs. them' debate anyway. Not sure why it gets turned into that every time a discussion topic comes up? Because some people have to call everyone the usual suspects when they happen to agree on something. Funny thing is, I actual disagree with alot of the "usual suspect" from time to time and post that. Never once have I seen the "other subset" do the same.

If we don't want more rules, then maybe we should have thought about this before running cointests about "what did I have for breakfast" and the like. TYes I know this wasn't an actual cointest, or maybe it was, but either way I am not trying to single someone out. The point is, people running cointests for no other reason than to chit chat are leaving the mods no choice but to implement new rules.

Talk about going from one extreme to another. I haven't seen anyone but you try to make this claim. The people behind the seperation plan fully support discussions about coins. In fact that is the entire objective behind this plan. We want to be able to discuss geocoins. There has always been an amount of fun banter in the forums, and that is a good thing. the problem has come from people only wanting silly to stupid banter and losing sight of what the main purpose we are here for and that is coins. If the banter is the main subject, then it needs to be elsewhere, like the off topic section. If the main focus is on coins, then this is the place for it. Why is that so hard to understand, or at least follow? You take the words of less than a hand full of people and them lump everybody together in hopes most people won't educate themselves by reading this exhaustive thread, and by doing so these people might believe your tainted words. That doesn't make you very credible, at least not to those who are willing to read what is being said. I am an old school cacher and proud of it. My stand is there is a place for cointests. I never called for them to go, shut down, or anything else. Your words are not accurate at all as to the position of most people who's view differs from yours. I wonder why! Maybe because it fits your agenda better? Splitting this area into two boards would ease the congestion and appease everyone, except for those who would feel excluded by not having it all in one place of course. Think of it as a highway. If we are all trying to drive on one lane, then things are bound to bogged down and you have to exert tremendous amounts of attention to find exits and such. If we open the roads up to allow a better flow of traffic, then you can relax somewhat and see a little more than before. How is this bad? In fact most new people here scream all the time that change is good and we need to accept it. So why is that medicine so hard to take for themselves?

Updates are available for all group members on the group site. I have advised you before to go there for info, and will do so again. The project is not run through the GC forums, as you have been told before.