wapahani

Some are just ready to jump. This was a simple question, about a review process. I didn't have an issue with moving this cache. My issue was with not knowing their was a mystery cache located within the area. I told the reviewer in question it was ridiculous that there wasn't a better way to know about this stuff before hand. Simple as say "yes you can place or no you can not place". Not rocket science, just a simple option. The reviewer stated that I could place the cache in another locations, but in reality I couldn't. So we move on. The cache in question was pulled and the other cache is still awaiting approval. When I said "stick it" it was in terms of trying to make that cache work. A few just wanted to take it as something else. I plan on hiding the said cache to another location. It isn't that big a deal. Go reread the original message. There wasn't anything more then that. Above it was stated that a cache is located just .13 miles away. Yes, but in a different park, actually its a fishing area and not in the park. OH well, I asked a question, got 1 person that understood and 1 that gave me the answer to my question. To those, thanks!

So we only go by "as the bird flies" distance? There is a dip (gulch, ditch whatever you call it) that puts this in a different area in elevation also, so if you walk it, drive it or roll, its well over 500'. Now, if you can fly to it, then its probably not..LOL All I asked was about the review process, and having someone else look at this. I knew there was an email, but I couldn't remember it and couldn't find it. Had their not been history behind this, then I wouldn't have said much, as I haven't in the past. Here is the deal. Had a cache that was completely historical. It was a multi, the second stage was in a cemetery and was right at 500' from another cache, but due to the historical aspect I told him about it. He refused to allow the cache, wouldn't budge on it at all. I took the second stage down and made it a traditional. He allowed that. That is the one you see listed on this account. What I was getting at originally, there should be a way for us to input coords and see if its a GOOD or NOGO. It would take into account all caches, and it wouldn't have to show us anything. It would just save alot of cachers pain in having to backtrack and get it moved, then wait and take a guess again!

He 'knows' you haven't changed names or set up new accounts because you specifically stated otherwise. In your very first message you specifically stated: On the other hand, after claiming that... you now claim that: That sound you hear is your credibility dropping like a rock. Huh? I said "I've placed a few caches now under THIS ACCOUNT" I never said about this being my first, second, third or forty-fifth account!.... meaning, this name..... What part of that don't you get? This is the family account since the wife and kid are into it now... Wow, I never have seen something so simple turned into a gripe session. A simple question about a simple issue.

No, this only appears as a case of a reviewer following the guidelines too strictly. GS maintains that the guidelines are only guidelines, and exceptions can be granted. On the other hand, I prefer having hard and fast rules, which make it a lot easier to figure out what you can and cannot do, rather than flexible rules which are only flexible from GS's interpretation, rather than everyone else who plays the game. Finally, someone else gets it. Others have turned this into a mess fest, and all I wanted was an answer about a question I am sure we all have had.

He wasn't telling you that's the only place you could put your cache. Did you bother to actually read my message before quoting it? Yes, but you missed the point. The explanation given was that I could place it in that area. Like I said, knowing the area like I do, I know that I can't place it there. You see the area he is sending me is bounded by water. The area in question is off limits, and the other direction is more private property. So it limited me even father. I know what he was saying (and I thanked that) and I know what you are saying. There is another published cache in the area that further limits the location yet more. I can care less about the puzzle cache, I don't like to cheat, so having him say something about it wouldn't matter.

If the Reviewer gave you an approximate direction and distance, he was trying to clue you in to the general area of where the other cache was located, without being specific enough to ruin the puzzle. He didn't mean you had to move it in that direction and distance. He intended for you to use that information get a rough idea of where the other cache was, so you could avoid it. You can move your cache any direction you want, so long as you keep it 1/10th of a mile away from other caches. arbitrary ≠ flexible The distance between home plate and the pitcher's mound is arbitrary. It was not written in stone, as the 11th commandment. There is not a scientific reason behind it. It's 60' 6", because that's a distance that seems to work pretty well. But it could just as easily been 61' 2", or 59' 7¼". But that doesn't mean you get to build a ball park and just come up with your own measurements. At least, not if you intend to play in the Bigs. He gave a generalized direction that I could place my cache. But its not allowed to have a cache placed there. This evening when I pulled the cache, I even walked the area again to make certain. This location leaves little to imagine about a cache in the area I could already place it. Thus calling into question how another cache is in the area. The cache that I knew about was just over 700' away, but due to it being a park, it was in a different area. Leaving the Mystery Cache and the known cache to overlap the 528' rule. Oh well, water under the bridge. I just wanted others opinions.

Totem, its not a sense of entitlement, its a sense of helping one out. Also, my caches, do you know if I haven't changed names or set up new accounts? You making a nice assumption. This account is our family cache account. Nice try, please play again. Perhaps if the reviewer was from the area covered they might have a general understanding of the cache in question. The rule doesn't say FIRM that its 528', its an ARBITRARY RULE. You must understand the term "Arbitrary" to understand that it isn't FIRM. There are several caches around this area that are withing that rule. That is what led me to question it. My issue is with the reviewers inability to communicate with the owners. I'm not the first to complain! But probably am the first to come here with it. Obviously. I don't have an issue adjusting the cache. I pulled the cache in question and will place it in another spot at another time. I archived it and am still awaiting my other cache to be approved, which was listed ahead of this one. Thanks for those that answer the question. I know this wasn't always an issue due to the popularity of the sport growing. Seems like now everywhere you turn there is a new cache going up, or a puzzle cache that is in the way. LOL

What mystery cache is it? There are 4 withing a few miles of just this location. I had a mystery cache that was 8 miles from its posted location. So you would have to figure out which cache is which. No, not a sense of entitlement, just a case of a reviewer that doesn't give enough info. I've emailed but when it takes days to get back, it just makes you move on. Of course, there is history here too. With all the technology out there it seems to me that something is missing with the ability to have this site tell you "your too close to a cache location".

Write appeals@geocaching. explain the whole issue and include the GC# of the cache page. Groundspeak will look it over and let you know what they decide. Michael, Thanks, that was what I was looking for. I went and removed the cache, and archived it. Its tiresome trying to play a guessing game with a reviewer!

There is another cache placed 3/10 away and its still waiting on approval. The problem is the mystery cache placement. This location isn't overly saturated. I'm thinking about pulling both caches and saying stick it.

Get a sitter if you have to cache that badly. Our youngest isn't 2 yet, but we take him out when we have a few parks to visit, and allow the kids to play. If we don't, we don't take the kids. Why? We generally don't think its a good idea to. Besides, they will wine. Our oldest at 13 is into it somewhat, like most teenagers, she is into Boys and other things. Also be prepared when you take your kids out, to return home when something tells you to. LOL, you will find this happens often. Honestly find a sitter until the kid is older then a year, because you will be more concerned with the kid then the cache! Once they start walking around, its more interesting! Just my opinion.

I've place a few caches now under this account. The other evening I placed 2 caches and submitted them. I took over an hour to verify the location of my current cache placement to be out of the 500' rule. So to my surprise for the second time I have a note from the reviewer stating he won't place my cache until I move it due to a mystery cache being within 500' of my location. He explained I should move it and gave my the distance to move it. Problem is, I can't move it to this spot and also that the distance is under 100' to move it. If I move it in the distance and direction he says I have to, I move into private location. Thus I can't place it there. The site rules say the distance is arbitrary, which means that is open to flexibility in the distance. I know for a fact that the location I placed this cache won't throw off the GPS for the so called Mystery cache because there isn't a hiding spot withing atleast 400' because I walked it. This isn't the first time the said reviewer has bagged a cache for this. While I understand the need to keep cache placement far enough apart, sometimes you just have to understand the location in order to know the placement. I know there use to be another spot that you could go when you wanted to dispute the placement/ruling of the reviewer, but I can't find this anymore. Anyone have an idea?

Leave it be, if its not under water and you are sure its still there, leave it alone. If a cacher wants to give it a hunt, its their own risk.

Sorry, I'm old fashioned. I have a composition notebook that I keep all my stuff in. I program them into my GPS, but I also keep a hard copy of COORDS and notes that I make. Then if I ever have a question or need to find the cache again, I can just open the notebook an find it. Interesting reading too sometimes! Plus the notebook can be taken into the field..

I place a dollar bill in the log. When I decide to place a real challenge, it will probably have a $5 in it. I won't always include money and certainly won't always post it as that either. I will probably do geocoins next.

There are many things you can place in the cache. I've oriented mine to be based on what the cache location is. There isn't need for stuff like what you listed in the cache. Think of it as if a kid would open it.

I'm nothing when it comes to FTF. Big deal I think. I could care less so it doesn't bother me. My cache was known to a buddy for almost a week before it finally got posted. He could have been the FTF, but he wasn't. one of his co-workers and friends was. I don't care, as long as people enjoy the cache experience!

No such thing. Just dive in. When you head out caching, just remember the day when you get in. Anything funny happen, get muggled, muggle alert... go for it.

I decided that a blog would be easy enough, as I wanted a way to watch the progress of the new team Wapahani in all of our finds. So, we decided to do it. It also deals with some of the fun stuff too...like making a TomTom One XL-S work for caching! http://wapahani.blogspot.com/ So what is your blog?

This isn't too scary, just sorta funny now. This past weekend we went out to find a few local caches. One being in an older but maintained cemetery. The hint was that the cache was "Cedar" with that in mind, I found a group of cedar trees and set about looking. The other half of wapahani (the wife) was also looking around to see if she could spot it. All of the sudden while pulling up debre from in the old tree, out came a large tree mouse. After walking around the tree, I saw the cache, the mouse had a family, a several baby mice in the tree, and she had built her nest right on top of the cache. While it wasn't a large cache, we didn't want to mess with the babies, so we moved along knowing its exact location. Funny, but I had my hand right on it when the tree mouse came flying out at me. Luckily neither of us have a fear of mice.

While out hunting the other evening we came across the first situation like this for us. The cache we had spied up was buried in POISON IVY and OAK. The cache had been logged just days before but no sign that anyone had trekked through the ivy to get it. While discussing this with a fellow cacher, he told me about the wipes for poison ivy, which the wife knew about. Since the weather is humid and in the 90's, wearing pants isn't an option I or the wife want. So, even though we couldn't actually place our hand on the log, is it ok to log it as a find? I don't really want to since I didn't actually handle it. I don't want to make a habit of it, but I really don't want to trek through the Ivy for it. I've notified the owner in the meantime. I plan on either going back later in the year, or waiting til its moved. There are several local caches that will be in the same situation I am sure. We found another one the other evening at dusk that was buried and we didn't bother. We will probably go back this weekend and take a better look and see if we can get to it. So are their situations where you have done this? I know of one cache in which the owner actually put in the file that "if you can't open it, don't, just log it as your find". After finding the cache, I can see why he wrote this. I thought it to be a rare case however.

I'm mixed. 2 of our recent caches have been spoiled by images of the location. While at the time I was reading about them and looking at the image I had no clue. Upon arrival and finding the cache, I can see it was right to the location. So it can go both ways. Unless it says something or is super obvious, I don't know that it matters.

Wapahani is an anglicized version of a word of the an aboriginal stone age peoples whose language is known as Leni-lanapi, and means, loosely, "He who wanders around in forest searching in vain for hidden treasures, and comes home with tall tales which he relates at great length around the council fire, to the chagrin of his fellow tribe members, of adventure and hardship, over and over and over again". (I think) Close, oh so close..... you forgot the part about fishing...

I think that summed it up! It probably got popped.

Don't know why you would want to do that anyway. Just leave it be. You placed it for OTHERS.