ShadowAce

Take a look at these two.. Cache first: Welcome Home Then the Event: Nuthin' Fancy Worked like a champ and AzCachemeister and AzgeckoGirl are still our bestest friends.

This is what we do. When we send caches to the GPS we only send puzzles with corrected coordinates. Most of the puzzle caches in our area require weeks to solve and cannot be done in the field anyways.

My point was if they had named it something other then TB Hotel, would this be an issue? I have seen many TB's in caches that are terrain 4 or 5. Heck I have had to Rappel to a cache that had TB's. We have some TB'Hotels' in places that disappear every few weeks to a month and the owner kept replacing it at the same location. Many a coin was stolen from it. If someone makes it a TB storage and they move them in and out every month or so then it really matters not to me where it be. I have had a TB I owned in a cache in a city. Easy access yet it was discovered over 20 times before someone finally picked it up and moved it. Another TB was picked up and held by the cacher for over 6 months before a few emails encouraged them to move it. This said, I think using the TB Hotel name is mostly what causes issues to people. I checked the page a few times and nowhere do I see any rules on having to trade one for one. That being said there is nothing to keep the next cacher (you?) from taking all the TBs and moving them. If you want my opinion; get a boat (or swim as I have done on many 'boat required' caches) pickup the TBs and place them in a plastic container and take them to other places so they can continue to travel. Watching the forums where cachers slam on each other for an idea (mostly a first cache placement) is more harmful then any TB Hotel could be. TBs will get stolen or lost. No cache is TB safe. Sadly though TB Cops love to point out a negative on any cache that TBs are in. I am not saying your trying to be a TB Cop, I only ask if you discussed the concern with the cache owner, Jason, and give him a chance to think through your concerns before making him to be a bad guy in the forums.

That really made no sense, so I assume the topic is a rant and not a discussion. Thanks for the time.

I have to wonder if you have email the cache owner with your opinions or was creating a forum the first step? Three caching teams have found the cache in question. Two have logged it because the third is not a member. More have had a DNF on the cache. I did not see a single complaint in the logs about it being MO or a TB Hotel. This makes me wonder what purpose it had coming to the forums? None of the TBs in the cache are owned by you, so it is more a matter of the TB owners to have an issue with... I assume if it was called Lake Sinclair Challenge Cache and someone placed in one TB per trip until it had 20 TBs in it you would never have brought this to the forums? If you feel a TB is being held that should be moved: 1) Log out of the forums 2) get out of the house 3) go to the cache 4) Release the TBs and move them to other caches. These are only the opinions of someone who moves TBs as often as possible, your feelings may be different. I actually like TB Hotels as they give me something other then another Lame Micro that I can put TBs into.

First log on my TB was 7/5/2004

More then two years.

http://www.geocaching.com/about/cache_types.aspx It is already setup that way. the problem is 'nobody has a right to tell me what type my cache is' and the reviewers have enough headaches already. We have multi caches with the ? icon as well as magnetic tape 'containers'. If someone ignores caches based simply on the ? icon then it is a loss for them and the cache owner as they will not log the cache. Trying to impose a ruling on cachers as to what icon they use will only cause more hate. Heck in Arizona we have seen ? icons on caches simply because you had to find your route and it cannot be determined by a topo map which does not show the property lines until you arrive on site and have to figure out the way into an area. Dont get me wrong, I like puzzles and I have fun with the challenges, but the OTHER option for container type is already in place and if cache owners simply used this then you would not have this issue. Yet keep in mind that OTHER has been in place for years and is ignored as a feature by most cachers.

Camera is set to 2mp. I use Photoshop and make the image 900 pix wide x .... then I save it as a jpg with a 7 settings on quality. It normally allows me to do a fairly decent upload size

WARNING - Personal Opinion follows - WARNING When you go to a cache and find it missing, most cachers walk away and report a DNF. Some log a 'Saw the velco, thanks for the cache' This is one of the far out differences on how the game is played. As for TB's? Well that in and of itself can cause some serious discourse because someone is going to tell you that you did it wrong, no matter what you did. "That bug wanted to go east, you took it north!" "That TB wanted pictures and you moved it without taking a picture!" "That TB only wants to go to snow country, but you moved it during the summer!" blah blah When you do what you can it is between you and the TB owner. While I love TB's and Geocaching, I have found that even I sometime get a tad confused on the proper TB procedures. When a TB says it wants to go to Sante Fe, I will not take it from Lordsburge to New York. Though this is just me If the TB has no tag or sheet describing the goal, I will either discover it and report it is doing well or I will grab it and pray that it has a goal along the lines of my route or plans. Most TB owners are very nice to work with if you want to do something special. Example would be a TB we picked up with a goal of going to the East Coast, but I was going on a plane to Hawaii in a few days. I emailed the owner and asked if they would mind the TB going with us and received some very nice emails... It went on a trip to Hawaii then came back and continued the journey. Some TBs you simply cannot get and move such as the VW hood that is out there. What do you do with a Car someone put a TB tag on? A steamroller? You really plan to pick these up and move them to another container? It's Alive!!! loves to be DISCOVERED because my kids would be heart broken if someone actually took it from them. So .. Discover a TB? Not a bad idea as I often see cachers go to a cache that has our TB and no mention is made. After 3 or 4 weeks we believe the TB was stolen or lost only to see a log a week later... Yet if people wrote more discovered logs, we would know it was still in the cache and doing well. Personal opinion warning over----

As I have yet to hear its destination location, we might just be getting a small trip in for this one come Saturday and then of course we have an event on Sunday

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Have not seen the email yet, still holding my breath for it

Thanks buddy I need to find out whom it is intended for as it finally reached Tucson!!

It's here.. But I cannot email the owner. Email bounced.. Anyone know a new email address???

As of March 2006, Southern Arizona Geocachers have adopted a wash in Tucson AZ to claim a spot on the map. So far cleanups are running every two months with cachers driving hundreds of miles to join in on the fun and spirit. If your ever in the area, come on in and join. We have even had people from as far away as Germany show up to get dirty. First Alamo Cito Second Alamo wash Cito Third Alamo Wash Cito Fourth Alamo Wash Cito Adoption papers are completed. Fifth Alamo wash Cito One of our two signs. Cachers, trashers and TB's. Sixth Alamo wash Cito

March will be our 1 year anniversary of adopting a location by Southern Arizona Cachers. I am sure we ill have better photo's for you then this month

I think anyone who has a complaint about the detail or says it is not good enough, really has no concept of GeOhana anyways.. Then again, I am only one opinion. If your making the coins to make money off people, it better be a perfect image. If your making the coins to share the GeOhana and create something that others can share and talk story around then it is perfect already. It's not the image, it is the idea

Things that make you happy We are so looking forward to the coins, it will sit in honor and be shown to anyone who does not run fast enough as they will have to listen once more to all the tales of joy and fun that we have to share: Remembering the good times during the bad is the hardest trip to master: Coins with meaning such as this will make it that much easier.

We are GeOhana and we are in awe. It is amazing that one of the Ohana is sitting in our back room talking to us about this coin and as we wait for others to arrive I go check email.. What do I find? Email from another of the Ohana telling me of the coin.. You realize now that it is late and everyone is going home, I am going to sit in the back room in the dark and cry? Honored, proud and underserving are the words that come to my mind when I think of those whom we call GeOhana. We miss you all more then we can explain, but ask those that Blast.. A new present is enroute to you my friends. Others can collect the coin, but we will now and forever have the memories......

I have well over 2000 pictures in my gallery. Now if GS.com let me keep these at 1meg images, it would be sweet but also useless. If you resize them yourself before you upload them you can have a much larger image. That is an image I uploaded to a log by resizing it before uploading it. Heck even this: was uploaded to this log: Bartolo Mountain log It takes a bit more time, but in photoshop I open the image and resize it to 12"x.... and save ti as a JPG of 7 quality then I upload the image. Much faster upload and it is nice and large. You can make a batch command for Photoshop that will do the resizing for you on an entire folder of images. Hope this helps.

We have some who do this as well, normally it is a mistake but the bottom line is.. How does it affect you? Maybe they have more finds then you do when it is all over? They beat you to a FTF on a cache they own? Seriously, I try to email them and explain what the difference between a Write Note and a Found Log is, but in the end, if they have no intention of changing it, does it hurt anything? I think it is more honost then hiding caches under your wifes account and finding them on yours. It is more honost then having finds from the same day over 200 miles apart because your friend or 'other half' puts your name in every cache they find while you put a name in every cache you find. Be nice, be friendly. If you want, drop them a polite email and explain why it has you so upset, but there is no reason to write nasty comments on caches they own or send them hate mail. Why call them names? If someone plays the game and logs finds to keep track of places visited like a journal then it is as they want it to be. Logs are policed by the cache owner, not by everyone who thinks the numbers should be rounded in a different fashion. This being said, I have not logged a find on caches I own. I do have a find on a cache I adopted almost 3 years after I found it, as well as one other I adopted when the owner moved to the east coast. I have been with cachers as we placed multiple caches, even one in Mexico... I have no finds on those because I opted not to at the time. If I hike back to them, I might just put my name in the logbook AGAIN and then log a find, but that is between me and the cache owner not someone in the forums who dislikes it as it makes me have a number more then them.

Team consists of: 37 37 10 6 But we started 3 years ago so we were: 34 34 7 3 when we began.

I so hope some are still available, my bestest hiking buddy is diabetic (sp) and I always worry about him when we go out. Great idea.. I am crossing fingers and toes.

Nice place? Fairly Near? Actually asked before placing? Not a mico shoved under a lamp pole 600 feet from another lamp pole micro? Oh you bet your sweet toots I would assist them. Well, I am sorry to hear this, I would be happy to pick it up and mail it back to you if you could provide an address?