Unkle Fester

I'd like to find one of those with a side of chili fries... Hold the chili fries. (edit Spillig misteke)

Take an empty jar of mayonaise and clean it out, paint the inside white and stick it unter a bush. Who's gonna grab a full jar of mayonaise out in the desert? Call it "on the BLT" or "Condiment Cache"... if it's a Miracle whip jar, call it "Miracle in the Desert". But make sure to do multiple coats and bake it real durable to keep it from getting too chewed up.

Ah, but when Crysler owned Jeep they sued anyone and everyone using the jeep name without permission (those who were not paying a royalty) So until we see what Fiat will do, you may wish to call them "4 wheeled, easy to break if used as off-road vehicles that cost too much to begin with for the crap you get" Travel Bugs Just a thought. I have a green Jeep, the tag was taken (or lost) at an event and I still have the Jeep sitting on my desk, to see if the tag picks back up. Thinking about it, I should make a paper tag and get it moving...

A .50 cal ammo box will hold quite more TBs than it probably will ever accumulate. That said, I'm not a fan of TB hotels. The problem with TB hotels is that for them to be successful, they need to be accessible. If they are accessible, they are more likely to go missing. Lose a regular cache and you may lose a TB or two. Lose a TB hotel and a lot of TBs can go bye bye in one shot. Having set up a TB hotel, that has not been successful. In my opinion, TB hotels in front yards work the best, but again, some people don't like to visit them. (under a bush by the driveway usually.

Places like REI and some of the others have them with the keychains, usually on a keosk (not spelled righ, i'm sure) At my REI, they're near the register on a small rack...

I was going to make a sarcastic comment, but I will refrain. This has been a great thread to read. Lots of great posts and opinions. I am a contractor working at a major micro-electronics plant and they have a culture that is unlike anywhere I have seen. Because of the international, multi cultural mix, the rule is not to treat others as you wish to be treated, but to treat them as they want to be treated. My behavior is deemed offensive if viewed as offensive by anyone. Talk about walking on eggshells for a big, shaved head redneck. ( I can call myself that). Just because I wouldn't be offended doesn't make it OK. I used to disagree with that culture, but the more I work and interact with people, the better I see how that creates a stress free environment. Not to say the company doesn't build "tension" into the system, but that's another issue. If the behavior/object could be offensive to anyone, why go through the risk? Let me put this another way: If this was to be found by a non cacher and they reported it, making the front page of the Newspaper or the local nightly news, how do you think others would look upon a swastica being found on anything? An explination to a reporter will not always come out favorable... It has nothing to do with intent and nothing to do with historical significance. Headlines that grab ratings and readers are what count. Is that a risk you would be willing to take? If it were me [grain of salt] I would look at the eagle with the G [/grain of salt] Just my opinion though. Cool concepts sometimes look better on paper than in reality. Good Luck.

I didn't know the little cache size indicator on the web page was in French, what does a square look like in French? Le Square?

You can buy cheep ones at some Dollar Stores, but beware what you pay for... Amazon, never thought...

You could always say it was a "Hoover" hide... Not helping, am I...

I have finds that I adopted, and caches I haven't found that I adopted. When I get around to it or have to maintain, If I find the cache, I'll log it. Technically, it's not my hide. Finding your own hides just to pad numbers is cheesy (exceptions have been noted in other posts) But worse is the ability to find the same cache over and over and over and over...

I've started a new tact, LPC's (as has been discussed in other threads) are getting long - even if sarcastic - posts, pictures of the area and generally making the logging the fun part, they all have memories - those are simply your choice what to make of them. Here, here! Although, I learned years ago I cannot force people to look at the world as I do (tough for me, but true), I don't feel bad when someone logs ten of my caches in a row "TFTC". Some of them are pretty darned good hides, I'm thankful for what I have, someone found my hide. I will agree, I think the anacronims have invaded our culture - one reason I don't text - and make things appear impersonal. I too have been guilty of the log with a TFTC attached, but trying to make a better effort to write out an idividual thank you. As a megacacher (fully admit it), even with 62 finds in a run and 15 DNF's (true DNF's, that would include searching for it), after just over a year, there is only one cache I forgot anything about. So my log reflected that and I apoligized to the owner, Not that it was the most boring or uninspired hides, even those stick out in my mind. I think with the kids needing lunch, the wife complaining about the kids needing lunch and the haste of grabbing and running on everything about the cache got over looked. one out of 2300 isn't bad. (next poster emailed that I did sign the log). I do however avoid the offering help to make the hide better in the log post, I ended up with a PO'd CO and he took out his frustrations on another local cachers hides... (sent him an email with coordinates of where his caches were dumped 75 miles away). I dunno, I think our society is degrading, especially with the annonimity of the web.

(emphasis added to quote) I carry micro's with me, but in my truck I carry a box full of larger caches, even if some are smalls. Saves me the hastle of coming back, because I know I can get distracted and forget. But I do get back out to maintain my caches... which reminds me... I love the post, I don't know how many of my caches have been set and then moved (before publishing)because of a better spot. If people wern't in such a dang hurry. yes thats another problem .. went to look for some caches in new jersey in the delaware water gap national park millbrook village and the paths that had been created right through a swampy wet area were rediculous .. who the hell walks right through a swamp .. do you think its right in the middle. NO its on the other side why not walk around the swamp .. duh thats the way the pointer showed ... come on try to have a little respect for the wildlife .... (Emphasis added here too) Hence my thread about destruction at GZ. My number one pet peeve. The funny thing, I'll bet every other rock was by itself, and there is only one spot with two rocks. I have one similar that says "behind a rock" not under. It's not in a sensitive area so not a big deal, but I do love the notes about ruined manicures etc. Some of that comes down to not looking at a gps, or a hider who is always 30-40' off.

Only if hit with a BROCO torch, and OxyArc hollow rod of magnesium with Oxygen purged through it. Most destructive tool made by man. Those things burn through anything. I used to do underwater construction/demo and these things were fun. Oh, there is a filing cabinet version of the safe that's rated for several hours, my sister has one at work - they put the Lamborghini Titles and other paperwork in it. (Wish I could afford one - car not the cabinet) That would be hilarious to go out in the woods and find a filing cabinet standing there. Camo it as a giant stump. Priceless

Something similar happened to me, but after an email, (which the OP did) I found out that the CO had switched two caches around that they placed. the coords got swapped with the descriptions. I've also seen caches with one name inside the container and one on the posting which made me question... but that was where they decided to change its name...

Hey now, I can give at least one reason why Oregon is superior to Washington.... Oregon has ME in it and Washington doesn't. Good point. I may need to rethink my examples. There are other states out there? Washington is a state? I thought it was part of Canada! Crud.

Shirley, you jest. The highest point in Florida is probably a freeway overpass. Don't call him Shirley (I've always wanted to say that)

Now that's funny. (Edit quote)

Used to play GuildWar online Used to do housework Used to maintain the house Used to work on my car Nopw I pay people to do the work and I cache.

I vote for disposable cachers, ones we can throw away when we are tired of the TFTC logs. Just a thought.

If you can read this, you are too close. Got that from a bumper sticker... Not too much help from me today, great advice has already been give.

Thinking about going out and hiding a ziplock bag and calling it "Clueless". I would if I didn't think it would become a torch and pitchfork moment.

Are you saying that I shouldn't hide any caches in the woods? Because of 1-2 people? No - just that you should make them a bit easier to find. Wether that means better clues or descriptions or camo or bigger size or slightly differnet location or some tell-tell sign or some combination of the above. Something - anything to discourage descruction of the area. (Emphasis added to quote) Doesn't making them easier to find defeat the difficulty feature? I fully admit a micro disguised as a leaf in the Arby's parking lot landscaping is begging for trouble, but what of the ammo can sitting behind the base of a tree in a green space? Let's face it, urban caches need to be a little more difficult due to the nature of urban hides. Making them easy is inviting muggles to find them. We know posting a note on the webpage won't work, too many people don't read them. I'm guilty of this, gone to places at times I shouldn't. when it was obvious, I repected the limits, but have found myself begging forgiveness in a few logs here and there. Yes, cache hiders do play a part, but seeing the average damage done vs difficulty of hide - the truely difficult ones usually don't show too much damage, people avoid the time consuming hunt. I'm starting to lean towards the one stage multi to avoid this.

We have a coin challenge going on in town, and one of them is near a municipal elevator. The elevator oporator saw someone poking around under the bush and saw an ammo can left behind. The cops were called and the official report was something like "officers located a geocache and tucked it further under the bushes for cover". Funny stuff

It's much cheaper to just add a little slip of paper with the standard decryption method to your geocaching bag. If you want to be fancy, you can laminate it. You can print it with color ink too. Then it would be super fancy after the lamination. Then use those scrapbooking scissors that my wife spent like $80 on that she never uses and create a fancy edge. Throw some ribbon on it, maybe stamp some patterns on it. Glue and glitter. a couple pipe cleaners and WHAMO! You have an art project for the geokids going back to school. I have one, and a couple of the wheels that go with it, I may do a cache with it, it's a nice edition to my coin collection. It would make available and easy any ROT other than 13 easy. There is a poker wheel too, that would be cool.

Occasionally land magagement offices get caught allowing activities (Logging) in areas that are not supposed to be done, then they claim ignorance of the issue or that it was a mistake. I've seen some get fired for taking a kickback to allow it. Same thing with the private property next door, some people encroch and post the signs even though they are not supposed to. I'm not saying that's what is going on... If it were me, I would go to the state headquarters and talk to the managers there. They could give you permission and clarify (and correct) the office in question. I'm a firm believer that if you cannot give me a definitive answer, I am going over your head until I get resolution. I have just the opposite problem, I'm 6', 230# with a shaved head and a constantly Ticked Off look on my face. But I'm laid back and easy going too. A lot of people don't take the time to see that.