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  1. That's quite a blanket statement. Perhaps it depends on the area of the country someone's in whether this idea makes sense or not. In some of the more affluent regions where geocaching has been well established for years, maybe it's possible to routinely find and move real coins. Maybe even the idea of a replicated coin being in a cache would lessen the experience for the geocaching connoisseurs in those areas. I guess it would be like someone wanting to play golf in jeans at Augusta National and it just isn't done. In other areas, where real coins in caches are very, very scarce and don't last very long out in the wild, copies aren't the horrible idea some people make it out to be. I had about a dozen copies out for six months or so and they were logged, moved, and generally appreciated. For most cachers, the copies were the only chance they'd ever had to claim a coin find from a cache. Only one person who ever found one made a log entry expressing his disappointment that it wasn't the real thing (even though it said "Simulated" in the title). I'd have to say that overall they were beneficial in that they provided the opportunity to find something interesting in the cache that wouldn't have been there otherwise. I'm sure it was more rewarding than just being handed a list at an event. I'd suggest if someone's in an area where there are plenty of coins in caches, then don't bother with copies. However, if someone's in a place where there practically aren't any coins at all for anyone to find and real coins just disappear like dew on a sunny day, it really wouldn't hurt anything to experiment a little and put out a nicely done copy of one or two of your favorite coins and just see for yourself what happens. It's true that the copies aren't nearly as good to find as the real thing but they are better than nothing to find at all. Generally the people reading and posting on this forum have become so accustomed to real coins that they forget that the majority of cachers still have never seen a real coin (or even a copy) in a cache.
  2. I'd advise anyone who wants to put out a USA or Canada geocoin or any other coin currently for sale at a reasonable price not to fool around with a copy but go buy the real thing to put out. It's a lot of aggravation to make a laminated copy with the right tracking # on it. However, what about the older, more rare coins that can't be purchased, like the Geowoodstock III? Exactly where do you get one of those real coins to put out? You can't buy one anywhere. You won't ever find a real one in a cache. If you did put a real one out it would be gone forever within a month. Does that mean that the only way for a new cacher to get that icon has to be just to go to an event and see one laying on a table? Then he or she gets that tracking number and several hundred others with really no effort. In my opinion that cheapens the sport a lot more than chasing down a real cache with the Geowoodstock III's tracking # in it, even if it's on a piece of paper. I think I'd be disappointed too if I saw a coin listed in a cache and found out when I got there it was a copy but it wasn't titled that way. But if it said "CacherX's Simulated (or Replicated, or Copy) Lackey Coin" and I didn't have a Lackey icon, off I'd go. I bet some of the rest of you would too, even if it was a laminated copy.
  3. Actually I've heard there really are new Jeeps coming out soon but they will be green.
  4. I think everyone wants to find real coins in caches. Unfortunately they don't just appear like manna from heaven and someone has to actually buy them and put them in there. Now since tens of thousands of trackable coins have been minted there actually are a few real coins out to be found even though they're still by no means abundant. I ran a query and found 3 actual coins that are supposed to be in caches within 50 miles from my location. As someone who has lost about 20 real coins by turning them loose, (some of which never even made it to the second cache), I really don't understand why people find it so distasteful to have the chance to get the opportunity to claim a coin find by getting the tracking number out of an actual cache even though it's on paper and not metal. Most of the older and more rare coins will never be found in a cache. I bet many of these same people complaining have no problem going to an event and being handed a paper with a bunch of tracking numbers that they take home to log. What would happen if the Jeep corporation decided to have a Red Jeep TB program with a red jeep icon and instead of having the little toy jeep attached to the travel bug they decided to use a laminated picture of a real red jeep? Would you turn up your nose at that too? I don't think so. So long as the laminated copies are titled so as to show that they are replicas, I really don't understand all the complaining. If you don't want to find or log them, then just ignore them. You have to remember that there are an awful lot of casual cachers out there who have never had an opportunity to log any coin find at all and many of them would be happy at the idea of just getting a new icon.
  5. I believe the act of one cacher holding another cacher's activated coin probably would technically be classified as a legal "bailment". A bailment essentially means that someone has possession of someone else's property for a certain reason and the care required to look after that property depends mainly on the relationships between the two parties. There can be bailments for the benefit of the bailee, the bailor, or a mutually beneficial bailment. For instance, if I ask to borrow someone's car and they agree, I would be the bailee and since the bailment is for my benefit, I have to exercise a high degree of care with the car. If I didn't ask to borrow the car and the other party just left it in my driveway for his benefit, I would be held to a lower degree of care. I couldn't purposely damage it but probably wouldn't legally be required to roll up the windows, lock the doors, or remove the keys to prevent it from being stolen. If I had a garage and someone left a car for me to fix, it would be a mutually beneficial bailment, and I would have to take reasonable care to make sure it was returned to the owner safely. I think if a cacher finds an activated geocoin and if he or she understands what a geocoin is, it would probably constitute a mutually beneficial bailment. Both cachers would get the benefit of playing the game with the coin and I think the finder probably would technically have the legal duty to follow the reasonable wishes of the cacher who activated it. Who wants to be the first to file suit and set the legal precedent for geocoins?
  6. I think it's more than that. The little arrows were moving but then nothing happened. The arrows were moving for roberts coin, but then it didn't drop either... Maybe the arrows are on DST but the coins aren't. Kinda like Indiana
  7. I think it's more than that. The little arrows were moving but then nothing happened.
  8. Zip, zilch, nada, nothing...
  9. I think a lot of people up until just a few weeks ago were jumping through hoops to get one of each coin that had a unique icon. Then Groundspeak changed the rules to enable lots of 500 to have a unique icon and that created a lot more coins to chase. Then some coin companies advertised that they would mint and sell people's coins at no cost to the cacher and the cacher would get some free coins and a share of the profits to boot. That seemed to really increase the number of coins. Then the odd coin would pop up here or there that wouldn't even be available to the public. The net result was that it became increasingly apparent that it's not a reasonable goal to get a complete set of coin icons so I think a lot of people stopped trying. They only buy an occasional coin that's meaningful to them. It's going to be interesting to see how far The Geocoin Store backs up with these one-a-day sales it has scheduled over the next week.
  10. I agree! I found one the other day and felt like I kissed my sister. Considering that real coins just aren't out there to be found, (with a few exceptions), I think finding a replicated coin is more like kissing your really hot stepsister. It may not be what you hoped, but it beats the alternative of not finding anything. If people really don't like them, they can just leave them in the cache. The majority of cachers haven't found their first geocoin of any kind in a cache. I think it would be a positive thing to find something in a cache to log to get a new icon and certainly it's a lot more sporting than being given a sheet of coin tracking numbers at an event.
  11. Geocoin Town x 2 January Signal x 3 Compass Rose '06 x 5 (Shiny!)
  12. I think the idea of trying to get all the coin icons on the owned side of the stat's page isn't really any different than the idea of collecting all 50 state quarters or collecting qsl cards for radio operators representing all states. It's just a different way of "playing the game". For some of us who don't have time to search for 1000's of caches, I would suggest it's not necessarily an invalid or aberrant way to enjoy geocaching. I wasn't really referring to the container in my earlier post but there are a LOT of similar caches these days and it seems to me that if you've found one magnetic keyholder (or whatever) on a guardrail near nothing especially interesting or if you've found a "skirtlifter" in a mall parking lot, the next ones you find are decreasingly interesting. Granted there are some "diamonds" out there to be found with something unique about them but there are a lot of caches placed that are just there for the numbers.
  13. Some of us are just trying to get a complete set of icons. That's becoming increasingly difficult to do and may not be worth the effort. I don't think it's any less worthwhile to do that though than finding several thousand look-alike tupperware bowls and altoid tins.
  14. I thought pre-ordering was to stay open until March 26th??
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