IceCreamMan

After reading your post I reconsidered whether I should continue hiding caches. After much consideration I decided that, yes, I will continue hiding them. And I will do so based on my own cost/benefit analysis rather than yours. Just thought you'd like to know. Thanks for informing me. It's good that you can afford a GPSr, and the gas money/bicycle to get to the cache, but can't spring for a reputable container. Glad you're not in my area. Hey, I had Chinese food over the weekend. Should I send you some Chinese food containers? They usually last at least a week. Looking at your stats (2,278 posts/1226 finds/20 hides) you might want to reconsider offering advise on hiding caches. But, you're definitely the go to guy for advise on posting. What do the numbers have to do with anything? Maybe he just hasn't submitted all his hides yet. Maybe he has another account where he submits most of his hides. How can a person be judged solely on the numbers when the numbers aren't even an accurate representation of ones caching ability? How many times was the same event cache logged? How can you even compare one persons stats to another. Wait a second. I think I'm replying in the wrong thread. Never mind, carry on with judging someone by their numbers. Seems like a reasonable approach to take a look at ones stats when weighing the worth of their advice. Numbers aren't the "sole" determinate of experience, nor are they irrelevant. I don't see anything in that post that questioned anyone's "caching ability". The cacher being quoted felt himself qualified to opine on what containers are "reputable". Seems like one might need to hide a few caches before drawing such conclusions. But then it might be difficult to maintain such a high post/find ratio by confining your posts to things you know about.

I'm going to have to call a BS on this. He may believe it, and you might have believed it when he told you. Not saying you made it up. But I'm still calling a BS. Would you believe that he was force fed peanuts on the mothership?

After reading your post I reconsidered whether I should continue hiding caches. After much consideration I decided that, yes, I will continue hiding them. And I will do so based on my own cost/benefit analysis rather than yours. Just thought you'd like to know. Thanks for informing me. It's good that you can afford a GPSr, and the gas money/bicycle to get to the cache, but can't spring for a reputable container. Glad you're not in my area. Hey, I had Chinese food over the weekend. Should I send you some Chinese food containers? They usually last at least a week. No, I stole my GPS and I only cache when I can bum a ride. Chinese food! Man there's a dumpster right behind a place called Chinese Takee Out than has primo eats. Never thought of using it as a caching supply. But hey, are some folks allergic to MSG?

Salute! It's nice to see that my assumption was correct. Having an allergy doesn't mean you need a gaggle of nannies. Allergic folks are as capable as exercising personal responsibility as the rest of us. My faith in geocachers, if not nannies, has been restored.

Eurika! That's It! Picture the USA carpeted with Film Cans! Back Brake Billy, fire up the Micro Gun!

I think we should start with shrub hunts and puzzle caches. Especially puzzle caches.

After reading your post I reconsidered whether I should continue hiding caches. After much consideration I decided that, yes, I will continue hiding them. And I will do so based on my own cost/benefit analysis rather than yours. Just thought you'd like to know.

Okay, I'll play some more while I wait for my laminator to warm up. Since failure to comply gets one accused of wishing people confined to there homes and/or dead (please see your previous posts for relevant examples). And rather than suggest ways in which people with such rare and unique allergies could participate in the sport, suggestions flew about what the other 99.9999 percent of cachers should do to accomodate them. With, of course, no indication of any such individual encountering a problem while caching. I'll take you at your word and assume you're just a little off your game today with your posts. Please see posts 16, 17, 18, 20, and 45. Victims? Hmmm. I've got allergies, but I've never considered myself a victim. Who would the perp be? God? Now I've been robbed at gun point. That really made me feel like a victim. Now the wanna be protectors of the imagined armies of peanut allergic cachers. Those folks I'll blame. Please refer to post above re: courtesy. Then do it. Just don't assume that because I think it's silly means I want people dead or confined to their homes. Uh huh. I know what you mean.

Guilty of Felonious Practice of Freedom and Misdemeanor Expectation of Liberty.

Yes, it's not only unreasonable, it ridiculous. Exactly how many cachers have had health issues due to a cache container? Yet we're supposed to organize our lives on the off chance someone with an extreme allergy won't bother to notice that the container looks an awful lot like a peanut butter jar before reaching in for the log. Puleeze. Hardly an apt analogy. Mentioning it is a far cry from not hiding caches that can't be accessed in a wheel chair. Furthermore, there's lots of people in wheelchairs. The number of people with deadly peanut allergies is tiny. It's just been over dramatized by the nannies out there. Now some schools put a higher priority on being nut free (if only they actually were) than on teaching kids to read, not to mention teaching them to assume some responsibility for themselves. It ain't the nuts in the jars that we need to worry about. It the ones exercising power than actually worry about non-sense like this. Yep. And I chose to help them by finding cool spots and hiding swag packed caches there for them to find. In a cost effective maner, of course. wow. i am stunned. i have an acquaintance at work with a severe allergy. we have a cute name for people who knowingly expose her to items that may harm her. we call them "defendants". only one person has to be successfully prosecuted in order for people to at least pretend they get the message. i know three people in wheelchairs. i know three people with deadly peanut allergies. one has an allergy so severe that simply breathing in a room where you're eating a pb&j could kill him. i know, i know. you'd like him to stay at home his entire life so that you don't have to be inconvenienced. after all, it's his own fault for trying to go out. so he does this: he asks ahead if there's a peanut-free alternative. since you don't have the money to use a lock 'n' lock, maybe you could mention it on the cache page? i don't have a peanut allergy, but i do have some other allergies. i know that the next time i have to call an ambulance because of an allergic reaction, i will really resent it if you're around to tell me that my concerns about it are, as you put it, nonsense. the thing about schools is that we have an obligation to teach ALL of our community's children in the least restricted environment. we have areas of our school that are nut-safe (and they really are; we have a very strict and effective protcol) and we have areas where peanut products are permitted. if you really need to use nut products, you can stay in those areas. we do not apologize for this. even one dead kid is too big a price not to be careful. we know we have one kid who could die if we're not careful. we do not feel it's fair to keep him in isolation. you probably would think it's fine. imagine what it would be like if it were you, or someone you cared about. wait, nevermind. your response would probably be to insist that you wouldn't ask for any special favors. it's an assumption i'm making based on my impression of you as lacking compassion. lol. A friend of mine sent me this link knowing that it would get me going. If this were the beginning of April I'd be expecting someone to be yelling, "April Fools" right about now. I'm glad you're stunned as I didn't have my phazer set to kill. "Defendants"? Hmmmm. Wonder if any of their lawyers have ever heard the term - assumption of the risk? If not they may want to seek new counsel. I wouldn't presume to tell your friend when and whether to leave the house. It's not up to me to manage their life. I only ask the courtesy that you and your friend not presume to manage mine. I did not say that your concerns about your own allergies are non-sense. I'm not sure that they ever came up. As I recall, this thread was about an imagined risk to cachers with deadly allergies that may or may not event exist. As for the schools, as soon as the goverment schools start coming close to meeting their obligation to TEACH, then I say they should be free to start making locker to locker searches for peanuts. Of all the risks in caching, this seems to be one best dealt with by those few individuals actually at risk, rather than a bunch of panicked nannies (or is in ninnies, I'm not sure which is more aprapro) here's another word - perspective

Yes, it's not only unreasonable, it ridiculous. Exactly how many cachers have had health issues due to a cache container? Yet we're supposed to organize our lives on the off chance someone with an extreme allergy won't bother to notice that the container looks an awful lot like a peanut butter jar before reaching in for the log. Puleeze. Hardly an apt analogy. Mentioning it is a far cry from not hiding caches that can't be accessed in a wheel chair. Furthermore, there's lots of people in wheelchairs. The number of people with deadly peanut allergies is tiny. It's just been over dramatized by the nannies out there. Now some schools put a higher priority on being nut free (if only they actually were) than on teaching kids to read, not to mention teaching them to assume some responsibility for themselves. It ain't the nuts in the jars that we need to worry about. It the ones exercising power than actually worry about non-sense like this. Yep. And I chose to help them by finding cool spots and hiding swag packed caches there for them to find. In a cost effective maner, of course.

'cause they are easily available, versatile, water-tite, I enjoy hiding them and most folks seem to find them without keeling over. one word - EpiPen

This seems to be a repetitive theme in this thread. I disagree, at least when it comes to these jars. I've hidden well over a hundred of these containers after simply rinsing them well with hot water and painting them. I've never had much of a problem. They don't disappear any faster than ammo cans. Less so perhaps, because they are less obtrusive and less desirable to muggles. An occassional one will fail to be water-tite, but not too often. I picked one up last month that had been out for a couple years and it was still dry as a bone. Other than the good swag having been magically transformed into rubber lizzards it was still in great shape. Nothing beats an ammo can, but these containers work just fine and are very versatile. At $5 for a lock n lock, why not go the full route and get an ammo can?

Cheese n rice. Now I remember why I stay away from these forums (a friend decided to rattle my cage by sending me a link to this thread). First of all, I have no peanut or egg allergies and I don't really know anyone who does. While the TV tells me such folks exist, I can't say that I stay awake nights thinking about how I need to structure my life around keeping them from going into anaphylactic shock. I do however have an allergy to dairy products that keeps me on the toilet after too much ice cream (A real curse for IceCreamMan). But I digress. Secondly, I frequently use a container that many refer to as a "Peanut Butter Jar". It is, in fact, the container in which a local supermarket deli receives their hard boiled eggs. Mrs ICM works at the deli and therefore we have a steady supply. Not only do I place numerous caches in these containers (after cammo painting them, of course), I give them away at events (also cammo painted). It has become common in this area for cachers to refer to them as "ICM containers", even when they aren't mine. If you think lock n locks are a good buy. Knock yourself out. I'll use the containers I find to be appropriate, you do the same. Thirdly, I have suffered many injuries while caching, from scratched shins to a leg wound that cost upwards of eighty grand to get healed, and it's still not completely healed after almost four years. Not only did I not consider such injuries to be, in ANY way, the responsibility of the wonderful folks who've hidden caches for me to hunt, I considered these occurrences to be all part of the adventure. If you don't have that kind of outlook, you might want to think about taking up another pastime. Finally, if you expect hiders to be responsible for your allergies, don't hunt my caches. If you expect hiders to be responsible for snake bites, spider bits or bee stings, don't hunt my caches. If you expect hiders to be responsible for scratches, bruises, fractures or sore feet, please, don't hunt my caches. If you expect hiders to be responsible for your saftey in ANY way, up to and including abduction by space aliens, please, please, please, PLEASE! Do NOT hunt my caches. But if you're the fun sort, looking for some adventure, hoping to see some way cool spots, not averse to cranking up some smileys and willing to assume responsibility for yourself when you leave the house, by all means come out and hunt some of my stashes. Shoot me an email, and I'll even take you for a Jeep ride. BTW, I have these really neat containers...

The bug and coin pages appear to have lost the "Edit" option. What's the deal?

The new Icon for NEFGA coins is live! Is the same for both the NEFGA coins and the NEFGA Jeep Club coins.

There is a new Icon coming for the NEFGA coins too. They were previously under the Personal Coins icon. I think showing up separtely with no icon at all is just a step in the process. They said it will take a few weeks to complete.

YIKES!

Event Handbook - If you post it they will come

You might want to check out the following articles from Today's Cacher... Twisted Caches of Northeast Florida The Hikes Of North East Florida The Federation Must PAY! is definately the most must do of the must do caches. I'd also add Jetty Man The best stretch of caches is along A1A north of Mayport. That's Little Talbot, Big Talbot and Amelia Island. Lots of short hikes and ammo cans.Give yourself a little treat and start in Mayport and Take the Ferry over. If you want a long hike, you might try White Sands Landing. It doesn't get much activity and there's a GW3 coin in the cache.

I have the following coins available... Bouncing Bunny California 2005 DNF Emerald Valley Cachers KTAG Manitoba Minnesota 2006 North Dakota 2005 South Carolina Terracaching Series 1 TFTC Washington 2005 I am seeking the following coins... Allegany Event Boots are Made for Caching Cachoids CCCooperAgency England Egg Evil Micro GeoFaex Georgia Geocachers 2006 King Boreas 1000th Hide Kootenay Cachers Luxemburg Native American Monarch Butterfly mtn-man AdminBrick Portugual Ray&Rose Project A.P.E. Satallite Team NAB Tee B Wildlife Muggle - Squirrel

I've looked for some information on your coin but can't find any. Can you tell us about it?

I traded for one of the gold JJ coins and picked up a silver from another cacher. While it was clear the owner did not want the coins sold on Ebay, there was never any aggreement to not do so. I tried to get a second gold coin so I could release the activated one and still have one for my collection but he refuse. For that trade, I offered a promised to not sell the coins and would have been bound by that promise. However, he declined the trade. So, while I never intend to sell the coins I do have, it is clearly my right to do so, whenever I wish. I too traded my coins carefully (so that no one ended up with multiples) in hopes of keeping them off the market. A couple have ended up on Ebay and I was disappointed, but hey, it ain't the end of the world. To think there's anything that I can or should do about is a stretch.

There is no free market on tracking... This is true. However, since the market appears to have assigned a value to tracking that is in excess of what Groundspeak charges, I don't know that it really affects coin prices much (other than that it increases demand for them). In other words, if Groundspeak lowered the price of tracking, I doubt it would reduce the prices for coins, and in fact they might event be able to raise it some without increasing the price of coins generally.

Yep. Supply and demand is the culpret. But just as happens in real life, over supply has been pushing down prices. It's common to see lower quality coins selling on ebay for less than their initial offering price. A lot of the "Free Lunch" coins haven't sold and the prices are being reduced on those. And when was the last time you had a problem buying a coin that was produced in any number? Prices are the how the market communicates. High prices scream - "MAKE MORE! We want it NOW!" Low prices mutter, "Quit sending this crap." The free market works if we let it. If only that arogant bunch in DC could figure that out and lay off their cheezy press conferences about gas prices.