llano

Excuse me but as stated in the video there was screaming coming at us at a point off camera. I didn't have the camera running but we did not see anyone and suddenly curses were raining down from the tree. I then turned the camera on and it fades into show our confused looks. As you can see we got out of there initially almost immediately and the only way for us to have gotten out there quicker is if we had literally turned and ran the second we noticed him. This is what annoys me. It seems that even though the situation is captured in the video, people are angry at us for going back very briefly to GZ and so twist the original situation in numerous different ways over the past few pages of writing to make us the ones to blame. I assure you we never saw him until he started cursing at us and then I turned on the camera. Most people here however have rightly saw that we were originally not at fault, regardless of what happened later on in the video, so please stop trying to make the hunter completely innocent vs. us "citified liberals". Well I'm with you on the legality of his behavior and yours. I cannot imagine that a park officer would make a cemetery part of a public hunting area, or access to it. If you were in an area marked "safe" then he was out of line to hunt there. Common courtesy towards property of others and respect for the place would also elminate hunting within the cemetery. If the geocache was placed there by people who do not lie, then the geocache folks would have insisted that they obtain proper permissions. I've had to move things or provide assurances about some caches I placed to the Geocaching Gods. I suspect the hunter was not only rude and ignorant, but most probably in violation of the regulations of the park. While you did nothing illegal in all likelihood, I think it wasn't prudent to go back once you left. I most probably would have just continued looking the first time very quietly and waved to him a thank you.

you should read all the posts your self!!!! its been posted many times how they went back... and that was intentionaly interfering with his hunt which is illegal prove it

A VERY HASTY RETREAT?? After leaving the immediate area, you debated amongst yourselves about going back just to "spite the hunter". And sure enough, you and your female friend walked right back to the spot where this entire train wreck occurred. The hunter was wrong for cursing all of you, but you were just as wrong, and quite honestly stupid, for going back to "spite the hunter", especially when you knew he had a crossbow. The last thing I would do is antagonize someone who has a weapon that could potentially kill me or my friends. That's not saying he would have shot you with it, but you never know for sure. You had the chance to show the world that you are the bigger person by respecting a rude hunter's hunting space, but instead, you chose to come down to his level. You've done nothing to improve the image of geocachers. I would argue that these geocachers were self-centered, arrogant, and borderline confrontational. Retreating from the situation would have been the most prudent action that the geocachers could have taken, but instead, they chose escalation. Taking a bad situation and making it worse never looks good. I'll tell you that I have a right to be on public land, whether you are cursing or have a gun or whatever. That doesn't make me stupid, and only imprudent because people can be volatile or insane. And what does that say about me and the other party? If the hunter had shot them with his crossbow, would you still insist that they WEREN'T stupid by going back to the cemetary a second time just to "spite the hunter"? Just because the hunter was being a jerk doesn't mean the geocachers needed to throw common sense out the window. Yes, they have a right to be in that cemetary, but common sense should tell you to give the guy with a loaded weapon his space. The last thing they should have done was antagonize him, because if he is "insane", he could have shot them and they would have most likely died. Your rights mean nothing if you're dead. Duh. Again you should read the posts. I said they were dull. I said they were stupid. I said they were arrogant and rude IN KIND with the hunter. However, they were not wrong in any legal sense as far as what is reported about the situation.

Public lands. A cemetary is most certainly always public lands, and the interruption of a hunt on such would never be illegal. Not wise, yes, arrogant, only in kind with the hunter behavior. a cemetery is actually usually private land. they are usually owned by cemetery companies that exist as free-standing entities, or else they are owned by churches. cemeteries owned by towns or other governments are public property, but often not in the same sense as park land. do not confuse land that is open to the public with public land. Very good point. However this was reported to be in a park. Also, I would argue that a cemetary is more likely to be "open" to anyone before to a specific group like hunters. Caching requires permission otherwise. Assuming the OP knows the facts, the original message stated that "There is a small colonial cemetery in the woods of a state park". FYI. READ. Understood and alluded to in previous posts.

Public lands. A cemetary is most certainly always public lands, and the interruption of a hunt on such would never be illegal. Not wise, yes, arrogant, only in kind with the hunter behavior. a cemetery is actually usually private land. they are usually owned by cemetery companies that exist as free-standing entities, or else they are owned by churches. cemeteries owned by towns or other governments are public property, but often not in the same sense as park land. do not confuse land that is open to the public with public land. Very good point. However this was reported to be in a park. Also, I would argue that a cemetary is more likely to be "open" to anyone before to a specific group like hunters. Again, the issue is access. Caching requires permission otherwise.

A VERY HASTY RETREAT?? After leaving the immediate area, you debated amongst yourselves about going back just to "spite the hunter". And sure enough, you and your female friend walked right back to the spot where this entire train wreck occurred. The hunter was wrong for cursing all of you, but you were just as wrong, and quite honestly stupid, for going back to "spite the hunter", especially when you knew he had a crossbow. The last thing I would do is antagonize someone who has a weapon that could potentially kill me or my friends. That's not saying he would have shot you with it, but you never know for sure. You had the chance to show the world that you are the bigger person by respecting a rude hunter's hunting space, but instead, you chose to come down to his level. You've done nothing to improve the image of geocachers. I am certain that the legal, albeit dumb, actions of these geocachers in the presence of one self-centered hunter on public lands did little to impact world perception of geocaching. I would argue that these geocachers were self-centered, arrogant, and borderline confrontational. Retreating from the situation would have been the most prudent action that the geocachers could have taken, but instead, they chose escalation. Taking a bad situation and making it worse never looks good. I'll tell you that I have a right to be on public land, whether you are cursing or have a gun or whatever. That doesn't make me stupid, and only imprudent because people can be volatile or insane. And what does that say about me and the other party?

A VERY HASTY RETREAT?? After leaving the immediate area, you debated amongst yourselves about going back just to "spite the hunter". And sure enough, you and your female friend walked right back to the spot where this entire train wreck occurred. The hunter was wrong for cursing all of you, but you were just as wrong, and quite honestly stupid, for going back to "spite the hunter", especially when you knew he had a crossbow. The last thing I would do is antagonize someone who has a weapon that could potentially kill me or my friends. That's not saying he would have shot you with it, but you never know for sure. You had the chance to show the world that you are the bigger person by respecting a rude hunter's hunting space, but instead, you chose to come down to his level. You've done nothing to improve the image of geocachers. I am certain that the legal, albeit dumb, actions of these geocachers in the presence of one self-centered hunter on public lands did little to impact world perception of geocaching. They don't have to impact the "world" perception of geocaching... just a few land owners and then they talk to another..... and another.... etc.... Look at the big picture. Geocaching is not nearly as popular as hunting... we need to all be good ambassadors of the sport/hobby/addiction. I don't think the hunter was anymore right than the geocachers... but can't we all try to be the bigger man? (or woman(but not too many women like the word bigger)) Bruce. The hunter was wrong. Unless of course the goecachers lied about the cemetary or the safe zones or the claim of public lands. Yes people should always strive to be the "bigger" person, but, that was not the question.

Public lands. A cemetary is most certainly always public lands, and the interruption of a hunt on such would never be illegal. Not wise, yes, arrogant, only in kind with the hunter behavior.

A VERY HASTY RETREAT?? After leaving the immediate area, you debated amongst yourselves about going back just to "spite the hunter". And sure enough, you and your female friend walked right back to the spot where this entire train wreck occurred. The hunter was wrong for cursing all of you, but you were just as wrong, and quite honestly stupid, for going back to "spite the hunter", especially when you knew he had a crossbow. The last thing I would do is antagonize someone who has a weapon that could potentially kill me or my friends. That's not saying he would have shot you with it, but you never know for sure. You had the chance to show the world that you are the bigger person by respecting a rude hunter's hunting space, but instead, you chose to come down to his level. You've done nothing to improve the image of geocachers. I am certain that the legal, albeit dumb, actions of these geocachers in the presence of one self-centered hunter on public lands did little to impact world perception of geocaching.

In my opinion, you are right in both cases. I am not arguing with you on those points. Two wrongs don't make a throng. (that was a quote from a very early Bob Dylan album) Thank you and I hate a throng. Public and private have nothing to do with how many people go there though and everything to do with access. The rest IS etiquette, and the one who violated it is the hunter first, and then, he opened the door for the cachers, who responded in kind, as would be expected.

so then by your reasoning a cache in the cemetery would also be wrong. Ridiculous. The hunter was out of line. Period. He should have realized there was a good possiblity of being "interrupted" in a public place (both a park and a cemetary) and set up elsewhere. It's nobody's problem but his if he has limited time and paid a fee. The only reason the cachers were stupid, but, not out of line, is that they went back to a cursing man with a gun. Did you see that cemetary that you speak of? It is a historic cemetery, certainly hasn't been active for many years. I would guess that very few are even aware of its existance. While it is a public place, it doesn't appear (to me) to be all that public. The hunter set up his stand there because he felt that he had a reasonable chance of NOT being interrupted, I'm sure. I know what public means and it isn't populated. I know a lot of hunters and they have better sense than to hunt on public lands in a place where there is an increased chance of encountering other people especially in a safe zone. I hunt and would never expect anything but mutual respect from other users of the land. The hunter is a lazy rude and dangerous egoist. the goecachers while dull are not in violation of any rule or regulation.

so then by your reasoning a cache in the cemetery would also be wrong. Ridiculous. The hunter was out of line. Period. He should have realized there was a good possiblity of being "interrupted" in a public place (both a park and a cemetary) and set up elsewhere. It's nobody's problem but his if he has limited time and paid a fee. The only reason the cachers were stupid, but, not out of line, is that they went back to a cursing man with a gun.

I just ordered the DeLorme PN 40 for $200 from Amazon. I've been using my tom-tom one for streets, my ancient magellan topo for coords, and my stupid Iphone. The Iphone battery drain makes actually finding a cache impossible unless it's right on the road. The tom-tom is great for getting me in the area of the cache, and the magellan is the tried and true winner for hitting the coordinates. I've been looking for a paperless unit for a reasonable price for a couple of years, and, am glad I waited for this deal. I hope to elminate the need for much use of the Iphone geocaching site around home, and to get better accuracy for caches on the Delorme. Plus, what a great price for what was wanted! Thanks to all of you who contributed to the forum so I could hone down my "cache".

Let's imagine that we're driving my RV across country because we want to find some of those awesome caches in Iowa. I pull into an empty area of WalMart's parking lot and drop anchor for the night. Would it be OK for us to toss a frisbee, or should I go in the store and ask permission? I imagine many Wallyworlds would have an issue with someone dropping anchor for the night or any other unauthorized use of their lot.

I used a tom tom one 3rd edition. It allows one to enter coordinates. After getting to the general area (the road) I turned off the navigator function and just used the coordinates available when using the map. Just tap on the connection bars and you can see the coordinates and the battery meter. They are quite small and do not change readily, but they sufficed to find two rural caches. Usually I switch to hand held magellan for the foot found coordinates because they are easier to read.

If you touch the gps "connection bar" icon a strip of info will appear on the right of the map. Within that strip the coordinates are displayed (as well as a battery power indicator). You may need to select which type of coordinates to display in the settings/preferences menus. You may need to stop your "trip" to get the gps to move past the end of the road coordinates.