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Garmin didn't want to learn, every outdoor unit had/has major issues and many real problems every time again. With over 400!!!! models you would think they know by now. Swapping the unit for a new one seems nice, but after 5-6 swaps you really lose the confidence in the product. The helpdesk is not helping, IF they respond most of the time it's a useless answer. The screen is outdated as is the software and actually also the casing. If I look at Iphone and Android Nav apps it's good working and looks nice. Prices for the latest models are high (wearables are often ridicules high prices) why should many people buy a outdoor gps if many just use it near the car in urban environment. For most anti phone gps usage arguments is a solution found, it's not as good as a Garmin but it's there.. Yes, I still love my Garmin outdoors, I use Garmin from GPS75 (1993), but I will never buy a new outdoor model anymore the moment it gets on the market acting as a Beta tester without proper support and response from Garmin, just hoping and waiting for the next firmware update.

As good as the Montana is, it IS a bit old and it has, in some parts of the world 'freezing problems' of the mapscreen. Often we don't realize it but many issues are not solved and after years of complaining to Garmin (often without even an answer) people stop complaining and take it as it is. http://garminmontanagpsr.wikispaces.com/Common+Issues So yes, the firmware of some outdoor models certainly isn't mature indeed and I suspect that many unit ended up as a paperweight or in a drawer.

main screen satellite Menu (top left) set map location scroll where you want to be An off on cycle will get the 'normal' location back.

This wiki is functional http://garminoregon6xx.wikispaces.com/home

Gpscity.com has many video's, in this case Oregon 6XX and Montana are more or less the same http://www.gpscity.com/garmin-montana-600.html#videos else on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=oregon+600

"t it could take as much as 12 minutes (worst case)" Can take even longer and there should be no moving objects between the phone and the sky, the phone should be motionless. Meaning if you pick up the phone while it's collecting data, the sequence might disrupted and the whole sequence starts all over again or a message like 'no satellites available' might pop up. Since you had a working Montana it wasn't really important I guess. ;-)

I can't belief there are still people around who use batteries like for a few hours, then toss them away, just piling up toxic waste.

Did you select the new map and deselect the others? Except basemap.

I always have all my data on the mSD, because in case of a gps lockup, you can only lose the tripdata, the rest will be available after a reset. Sometimes it takes a bit longer to startup, if it takes really long you might have corrupt data. You can load the JDM from http://www.javawa.nl/jdm_en.html to control the data.

Often an answer in a forum is not what you want to hear, therefore it's not considered as a good or relevant answer. A consumer gps is what it is and the only way to get a reading more accurate is to average your waypoint, that takes time but it won't get any better. Maybe a cluster of waypoint are off, because they where shielded, then even averaging doesn't help.

The accuracy of a gps receiver is a calculation of variables received from the satellites. Where nothing is really sure because of bad weather/power lines/transmitting towers or signals bouncing (multipath). The EPE - estimated position error is just an indicator. Second, who says the map you are using is really accurate? Even if it's GE. BUT if you really averaged the waypoints these waypoints might have the right coordinates even if they show up on the 'wrong' place of the map. Many people believe the Gps is accurate to the few feet, because of the car Sat Navs, where software puts the position of the 'cursor' always right on the road.

Fur Android kiept es viele apps die OHNE netzbenutzing funktionieren. Auch können sie tracks, routes, waypoints, karten und geocaches via Wifi (oder heim naturlich) herunterladen, die sie dann später ohne internet brauchen/bearbeiten mit diese apps. Wann sie gewohn sind mit eine handy zum arbeiten, ist eine Gps entfanger ein große schritt zurück. Das "schlechte" an handy ist batteriezeit und schirm ablesen im sonne. Zum geocachen brauchen sie keine karten. Es kipt viele threads über handy/gps auf diesem forum.

Just make a backup of your unit, then delete whatever you want. But if you're deleting to get more space, it's not helping and you better ad an Sd card.

It't what it is, there's nothing we can do about. For what it's needed for it's fast enough.

It's a bit naive to believe everything will stay as it is. Your mp3 players, movie players and the TomTom/Nuvi satnav IS already integrated in the smartphone. Due to huge amount of smartphones sold they have to make them better, the coming smartphones will be as good as a good point and shoot camera and as a medium level priced gps. For many many people there will be no reason to buy a dedicated Gps in the future. Considering the amount of problems users had with certain models and Garmin 'updates', many current users will think twice before spending on a new model.

For the millionth time, you don't need cell service to geocache with a cellphone. IF you loaded the data before.

Hopefully they popup with new units on the CES, if not there might be something very wrong. To long Garmin didn't listen to the users and kept launching not finished products, we had many outdoor models where the whole first series was swapped by Garmin for another unit. Many users swapped 3 > 5 times their new unit, just for the hardware. Often this was seen as a good service from Garmin, but actually they sold a defective unit and Garmin knew from the beginning they sooner or later would get all these defective units back. Many people geve up and the unit is a paperweight or lays in a drawer to rest. We had several models they didn't even bother to adjust the errors. Almost never we received a good answer from the helpdesk, IF we got an answer at all. We had models that disappeared after a few month. The first Garmin Android, Nuviphone was a disaster, the second Garmin Android, Monterra seems to work more or less right now, but has an old Android version from the beginning and is not so compatible as Garmin let us believe in the specs and has still many issues remaining. Many have a smartphone that works and has al kinds of modern looking (free) apps and maps that do the job good and right, Apps can do everything offline, once you loaded the data via a network you have everything you need offline. I think that most users use the Gps/smarptphone only for a relative short time outside the car. That makes the battery life a non issue and screen visibility just a way of adjusting. In the end the good working outdoor Garmin gps is better overall, but many smartphone owners don't need an outdoor Gps. All these issues don't make Garmin trustworthy, nobody will be spending 500-600 $$ on an not working unit and be the betatester for the coming year.

Don't go for the 10 models, they lack a µSD slot, the Dakota 10 even has very limited memory. On this moment Dakota 20 Etrex 20. 30 Oregon maybe @ graigslist Checkout Gpscity Rei and similar

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Oregon 6XX or Montana series, both have very readable screens. Be aware in about 3 week there will be CES, maybe Garmin will announce some new models, if so, these models will be on the market about June, also important to know Garmin has a bad track record with new outdoor software. They always solve the problems, but it can take some time.

Any Gps will work, question is; what are you planning to do with it?

Please don't make baseless statements such as this. There are a bunch of perfectly legal, legitimate maps that are distributed as .torrent files. Yes there are some pirated maps out there, but just the fact that it uses .torrent files does not make it illegal. I should have written; the download of illegal Garmin map torrents might result in a virus. Since the OP seems to start from scratch and was struggling with a torrent that needed another script to open that file it seemed appropriate to warn him. I never intended to harm any download site or map download system. Hope this solves the misunderstanding.

About making the Nuvi unusable; Most of the times the map is called gmapsupp.img and often a map with THE SAME name is installed. Overwriting the original data will destroy that data. The downloading of torrent (illegal Garmin) maps might result in a virus and often the map itself doesn't work. If you go to the OSM site you see some possibilities, the easy one is the gmapsupp selection, you can download this file and put it on an SD card (your Nuvi won't have the needed free space) in the Garmin folder, that folder you need to make yourself. Then in the Nuvi menu you have to go to Maps and deselect the old one and select the new map.

If they have something new coming it will be the most logical to announce it during the CES.

We have/had the same issue with the Montana. Everything works in the Gps except the map moving, it happens often near off on ramps and places where road numbers or priority of the road changes. We tried for about 2 years to find the reason, but never succeded. One time it seems the map other time it seems the software. Once again, the track or route and all other things stay active.