It's grim oop Nurth

Hurrah! downloaded and it works. "A victory for common sense and long may the users' view prevail" is what I say aka Pocket Queries my R's when in less polite company. Incidentally; it also means that I will be paying my Premium Member fees again after all, which I don't think in any way would have influenced those in their Ivory Towers in the slightest oh no not a bit of it. and BTW to who ever it was back up the trail a bit who said the .kml was the 'single best feature IMHO' ... rest assured that it is not just your humble opinion, it is mine too and that of every single one of the (few) others I have conversed with on the subject.

So you didn't use it but you use the site for other things, correct? Well imagine if the thing that you pay to use the site for is simply not there one day when you log-in; no notice given, no mail sent, not even any tip-off to the many non-GS e-mail communities (at least not to any of the mailers that mail me re: geocaching stuff). You may not have used it, you may not wish to use it, but the fact remains that now you cannot use it even if you wanted to. I will say this, however, that the KML was the only reason that I remained loyal to Groundspeak. There are others you know. I will also say that you are correct in stating that they are a small team with limited resources. Unfortunately for them they are a big player and, given the size of the team, as they cornered a growing market based upon goodwill they necesarily become more autocratic in prioritising scarce resources. One can only feel that the iPhone arrangement will provide a similar service to the KML. The only difference being that one will provide a revenue stream and one will not. If there is a server out there that can find sufficient personnel willing to run a KML service, one that has the vision to see it as a valuable commodity, then i for on am willing to pay for it. and pay for it with my cancelled Groundspeak subscription if necessary. Now you can call that selfish behaviour to the detriment of others but i say that Groundspeak have missed a trick here, but what would i know? I'm just a customer that believed he had paid for a service only to find that the service has been taken away a replaced with an alternative that is less good and much more inefficient. Such is not the way that successful enterprises operate.

I don't think that i have ever heard quite as much cow-doo in my life! Pls demonstrate the basis of the useage figures and performance issues you cite.

Are you a Premium Member? If so, you can submit a Pocket query to Groundspeak and then file/load the pocket query GPX file directly into Google earth to view the caches contained within it. Jon. It's not the same, as i suspect you know quite well Mr. Jon

What annoys me is when other parents throw hissy fits regarding stuff their children may, or more to the point may not, be exposed to on the internet. The words parental and moderation spring to mind. My 6 and 8 year olds use the internet under my direct supervision on the basis that I, as their father, am prepared to explain to them anything that they may seek clarification of whilst surfing the net. That means anything. I take the responsibility for letting them have access. What I don't do is expect anybody to modify their normal behaviours simply for my personal peace of mind. You don't have to let them use it (except maybe the 18 year old doesn't HAVE to take your direction anymore but you still pay the broadband bills right). Regarding the point in question: the split seems fairly even; newbies favor FCFS whilst the wizened hacks favour a more pragmatic approach. Personally i think y'all need to get out more! I plan to keep my number of posts lower than my number of finds! ------------------------------- and with that, Elvis left the building.