simpjkee

hmmmm...thats a tough one for me. My first thought is that I would never adopt out one of my caches. I'd archive it before I'd adopt it, but if I was in that situation......yes. At this point right now, I think I would go find it and log it as a find. I tend to think I am allowed 1 'credit' per cache. If I own a cache I get my 1 credit as owner. If I don't own a cache I am allowed 1 credit as a finder. If I place it and then adopt it out, I am no longer getting a credit on the cache. Without finding it (or having it adopted back to me) I am not allowed a credit on the cache and that just doesn't sit well with me.

I met a Lackey (Michelle in marketing) yesterday and got a 'Lackey X-ing' trackable tag. I want to put a link on the trackable page to the Lackey's profile so I can say who I got it from. How can I find this Lackey's profile? And is there a list in general of the Lackey's with links to their profile?

I can understand wanting to share a great location but you know, you can walk me down a wooded trail and there's probably a log or stump every .10 open for an ammocan. I'm not sure how that relates to my post.

I am always surprised at how low my terrain rating is. It's something like 1.57. I like going for the caches out in the desert and always think my terrain rating should be around 2, but I find a lot of urban caches also and that kills it. However, my terrain rating on active placed caches is higher than my terrain avg on found caches. I think it's somewhere around 2.7. Lately, if I've been checking my caching performance by a statistic, it's been Challenge Points on www.lonelycache.com.

From a finder's perspective: Years ago (5), I would have said that the puzzle was number one and I'd prefer the cache to be an LPC or guardrail because it is the puzzle that is the challenge. Once solving the puzzle, I want my smiley. I'd hate to solve a tough puzzle and then not be able to find the cache. Today, I'd appreciate a cool container or nice location just because I've lost a lot of interest in looking at lamp posts and guardrails. From a hiders perspective: I have developed a little different view on it. It seems simply making a cache a puzzle cache lowers the number of finders. If I am placing a nice cool container or placing it at a nice quiet location, I might make it a puzzle just to lower the number of finders. In which case, it would be a puzzle and a cool container/nice location.

Maybe he knows about it and was curious to see if you'd find it or not.

Log your DNF's. Don't be afraid to ignore caches that don't interest you. Venture outside the city. Thats where the best caches are IMO.

My best advice is to let trackables go and then expect to never see or hear from them again. That way whenever it is logged its a very pleasant surprise! .....and read Snoogan's TB Longevity Clinic

The guy who found it first is the first to find it. That simple. As a cache owner though, who cares? FTF is not awarded by the cache owner. Let the finders decide if they want to proclaim first to find or not. Heck, let the 8th person to find the cache proclaim ftf on the cache if thats what they want to do. What diff does it make?

First of all, we didn't 'snag them all.' We (hard) EARNED 40 FTFs. There were 62 event caches published 2 DAYS before the event took place. EVERY CACHER IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA had the EXACT same opportunity to got after the FTFs! First of all, I'm just trying to help you figure out why this is happening to you so you can get over the hurt that you feel.

Here's another excerpt from your log on GC41T7E By the time we got back to our vehicle we were soaked and full of mud but we decided to see if we could grab a few more FTFs. Got 13 more before the area was invaded by other cachers also out on quests for FTFs. ok so 27 on that one trail and then 13 somewhere else in the area. no offence, but saying that the area was invaded by other cachers on quests for FTF's after you just snagged them all comes off as a little smug especially when the other cachers were attending the event, no?

ok I think I see them GC41T7E , etc. right? funny in your log you say: The LCG series of caches was so much more than 27 FTFs. Tackling it in the dark and rain was a personal challenge and a fantastic journey for both of us. We enjoyed every minute of it and will never forget the experience! yet you just said you got 40 ftfs a couple posts above. you trying to pull a fast one on me and embellish a little bit? is that your competitive nature coming through?

so the event people placed all the caches and they were published early that morning for the event that day. You went and got FTF on all of them before anyone was even awake and didn't attend the event later that day? did I read that right? can you provide the GC code to one of these 40 caches?

I don't even know how to respond to this comment so I'll just go with what is coming off the top of my head....We will NEVER cache under a different name nor will we EVER take a step back from caching because we have 'annoyed' others for whatever reason(s). We have done NOTHING wrong. We are proud of our user name and Geocaching is an important part of our lives. We are annoyed by 'them' every day BUT the difference is, we will NEVER steal their caches or tear their signatures off logsheets! Okay, it was just an idea. I'm glad you don't feel the need to retaliate. Retaliation is NOT the answer. We don't know what the answer is which is why we came here, to the Groundspeak forums, for advice. Are we 'different' than most cachers in our area? Yes. So what. If our being different makes 'them' feel a justification for stealing our caches and removing our signature from logsheets, what do we do? How do we fight back? We KNOW who's stealing our caches and removing our signature from logsheets but us doing the same to them IS NOT who we are and it's NOT the solution to the problem. When a cacher or cachers steal a cache from a member they don't like they are not just stealing from that member. They're stealing from the geocaching community at large. They are stealing from themselves. I don't think the cachers who are stealing our caches realize this. In their minds they're stealing from TeamSeek, hurting TeamSeek. They don't see the big picture. Are they hurting TeamSeek? Of course, but they're also hurting every cacher who goes to look for that stolen cache. When they tear our FTF signature off a logsheet or rub our signature off a logsheet, yes, they are hurting us personally. Then they contact the CO and say 'TeamSeek's sig wasn't on the logsheet....' We have had our online log deleted because of this and it was only after we described a cache in detail that the CO allowed us to relog the find. If this has never happened to you, believe me, it's tough....to have your integrity questioned. Then to have 71 of your caches STOLEN by other members of the geocaching community. It hurts and you don't know what to do. Do we replace them? Do we archive them? I don't know what the answer is.... How are you 'different' from most cachers in your area? I think that may be the answer to this puzzle.

I've found caches like this. Personally, I hate it when people do this to mock me, but I think some people like it. I guess if the red herrings helped me find the cache, I wouldn't mind it so much. I highly doubt any of the caches I've found like this had any special mentions to the reviewer about it.

I'm still curious how you know who is doing it. Like what proof do you have? It sounds like you just know it this certain cacher who would do this to you, which suggests a backstory here that you're not sharing. It also sounds like this thread is not so much an attempt at "getting over the hurt that we feel". Its more of an opportunity for you to share whats happening and get some sympathy. Until theres some backstory and everyone sees that you are an innocent victim here, you're not going to get that. ....but keep shouting off about how your caches got stolen if it makes you feel better. I'm still marginally interested.

A traditional should be at the posted coordinates. If the cache is moved by the owner, then the owner should update the coordinates on the cache page. The owner mentions in the cache description that the cache was moved, but the coordinates are the same. It sounds like it is the same area, but just in a different hiding spot. The elevation is 595 ft according to the clue. Are you saying that your gps says the elevation is 695 while at the given coords? While searching, I would search based on the coords not the elevation unless it is possibly high up in a tree or something.

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. That posting in off topic is not about geocaching? Off-topic is decidedly OFF TOPIC... It's interacting with the geocaching community. It is just as much about geocaching as say.... going to an event and talking with people about their other hobbies. Well, in a way, that's true. OT is kind of like an online event. except it doesn't 'count'.

Why is that?

I'm not sure what you're suggesting. That posting in off topic is not about geocaching? Off-topic is decidedly OFF TOPIC... It's interacting with the geocaching community. It is just as much about geocaching as say.... going to an event and talking with people about their other hobbies.

Yes it's gone. We briefly discussed this in post: 23, 24, and 25 of this thread.

It's inaccurate. That's what Yes, that's true. So say I was at the top, would that matter? Would you want it to? I'm indifferent to who is at the top of the leaderboard. I've made it known that my reason for wanting off topic posts to count is so that I will know what my actual post count is. Other peoples post counts aren't as important to me. Ambrosia and cerebres were discussing the leaderboard. I wanted to let them know, for their information, that the leaderboard is inaccurate and does not reflect actual post counts. It just so happens that for the leaderboards to be accurate, Off Topic posts would have to be counted, which is what I want. Therefor, I'd like the leaderboards to be accurate as well since it would accomplish my goal. Kinda like 'the enemy of my enemy is my friend'.

I'm learning something new every day. Again, had no idea there was such a thing as a "leader board" for post counts. I didn't see that mentioned in "Geocaching 101" either. at the wheel. - Now this thread is starting to make sense... Of couse, since the post counts are inaccurate, the 'leaderboard' is inaccurate as well. So what. It's inaccurate. That's what

I'm learning something new every day. Again, had no idea there was such a thing as a "leader board" for post counts. I didn't see that mentioned in "Geocaching 101" either. at the wheel. - Now this thread is starting to make sense... Of couse, since the post counts are inaccurate, the 'leaderboard' is inaccurate as well.

Soloist instead of loner? I like how that sounds...but isn't it like a janitor saying he's an 'environmental engineer'?