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While I understand the suggestion for a field puzzle attribute is probably closer to correct for this sort of thing, I think it's fair to say that more people read cache descriptions than actually look at attributes. Since this one is a straightforward find as far as how the cache container is hidden at the posted coordinates, making the type a mystery is much more likely to give folks a reason to read through the description. Either way, just rolling the log into a flashlight in the cache feels more like deception than any sort of puzzle. I'd be more impressed with some sort of hidden compartment or a puzzle box or combination lock for hiding the log. I agree.....Re attributes, while I put them on all my hides I rarely check them on caches I'm looking for.

Other than I like micros just fine I could have wrote your post.....you can't beat out of town back roads caching.

I've always enjoyed hiding more than finding but no matter how many you hide it will still be a small fraction of your caching experience. You just can't beat out of town caching where you don't know whats around the next bend in the road....if you stay with it you won't believe the places caching will take you and the things you'll discover.

I had a look at your gnome cache. It sounds like the container is unique and special but fragile. I read one log that said it was hard to open. How are people damaging the cache by removing it? It looks like you have had to fix it several times. But the nice thing is you are able to get out to it and fix it. It may be worth the extra effort (monthly checks) to impress people with "a work of art". Or try a different container. From the sounds of it, it's a capsule. You might try a preform tube. They can withstand a lot of handling. Or if it doesn't have to be a capsule, perhaps an authentic Lock & Lock - not the knock-off dollar store kind, look for the Lock & Lock logo embossed on the lid. Kudos on trying to provide the geocaching community with a WOW experience. I have hidden two caches in the area of this cache that are similar in nature. I have found trees that have had branches that died and the branch had rotted away leaving openings in the trees. For this one I used a plastic container with a screw on lid. I wrapped the container in camo tape and I fasten a small piece of dead branch to the lid using screws and glue. When it is wet or freezing the fit of the container is tight. So I asked cachers if it is tight they can leave the container in place and unscrew the lid to access the the log. I am guessing they don't read the whole description and they try to force it breaking off the attached wood. Last year a CO spent a lot of time making a gadget cache and someone destroyed it within an hour of it being published. I know that personally because my wife and I went looking for it within an hour of it being published and it was gone. When Geocaching in North Carolina there are some cachers that take pride in creating some out of the ordinary cache containers that blend in with their surroundings. That inspired me to try my hand at it only to see them trashed. It is frustrating. I have better things to do then run after disrespectful cachers and redo my hides. I haven't renewed my membership this year and I am not sure I want to. The bottom line is a lot of people are klutzes and are not mechanically inclined nor clever...they are not disrespectful and try to be careful. If you hide a cache that is delicate in any way or clever in the way it comes apart etc. it is doomed to a short life that will be measured by how often it is found. If you hide one be sure its close to home because you'll be there a lot. I've pretty much given up hiding anything requiring dexterity on the part of the finder....nothing evil here its just the way it is.

Amen.

I will say their items are a little pricey.....preforms can be had for around 50 cents each.

Garmin Communicator is a type of plug-in which can be abused to enter and infect your computer. So these NPAPI plug-ins are rejected by Chrome. Edge can't use plug-ins at all. Chrome and Edge are not Windows 10. They are browsers. Other browsers, like Firefox and Internet Explorer, are still capable of using the Communicator. FF needs a signed version of the plug-in from its plug-in store. IE is still capable of using the classic Garmin Communicator, but nobody knows for how long. The end of your geocaching? Just alter your workflow. There are lots of alternatives, you don't need the Communicator at all. Use the GPX file button instead of the Sent to GPS button. Or use Pocket Queries. Or third party programs like GSAK or GAPP. Like I said....a cheap, used unit running XP and Firefox makes everything smooth.

I picked up a few Dell D630's running XP on Ebay....titanium frame units made for field service, they are all I use at work and home.....everything super smooth. I'm not looking forward to the day when I'll be dragged into the new stuff. I was at a business yesterday using Wind 98.....I would still be too but I liked the way XP handled photos.

But you can transfer it to a premium member who can set the cache status to PMO and then transfer it back to the basic members account, and the basic member then owns a PMO listing. And to the OP, I think making a cache PMO makes them much safer. This has been my personal experience with my own geocache listings. +1.....years ago I made all mine PMO and it made a big difference ....also fewer nuisance NM and NA logs which should have been DNF. Also when writing up your description do not say it is an ammo can ( just say regular size cache painted green )...in a few areas of the country cachers told me they did this and it helped.

FWIW, A year ago I got a refurb Nuvi 2757 with a 7" display for $100, I use a OR 450 for hiking. What a great combination! Some reasons to consider a Nuvi vs a MT in the vehicle: Comes preloaded with City Navigator CN cost ~$100 for the MT A 4.3" Nuvi is huge compared to a MT and a 4.3 is tiny compared to a 7" Once you've mounted a 7" to your dash, you'll never go back to anything smaller The Nuvi 2757 loads all my topo maps (Garmin & Above the Timber) prefer AtT. The 2757 mounts to a "permanent" block which has the power cord, so no de/attach power cord hassle. I remove the 2757 from the dash (leave the block) and put it into a slip case when I'm concerned about theft. I'll never go back to a smaller display in the vehicle. I don't think you can beat driving to a cache location with a Nuvi and walking to GZ with a handheld. When I'm familiar with the roads I pretty much just use my handheld.

I'm different then most here as I use the phone app for limited items....we primarily cache with the 62S-64S. I think the new app is nice but agree REALLY needs off-line lists. There is a emailed survey I just completed ( from GS ) regarding the app....please complete this when you get it. The app is a work in progress and I think GS will eventually offer an app everyone will enjoy.

Everything is working fine on my 5S.....really nice new tool and I really like it. I just took the survey as well.I also have the original paid app.

A couple of years ago I used a Montana for caching for about 2 eight hour days including walking in the woods etc. IMO its too large to walk around with....you can do the size and oz comparisons all you want but its a brick. Its a great unit otherwise and good for use while in a car but its size makes one handed map panning hard. I've used the Oregon 600 series a bit and was impressed with the screen and speed....I think the size is perfect for hiking. Maybe others can comment on the Oregon bugs and if they have been fixed.

I did the same thing....I really have no need for the preloaded GGZ.

That's sad regarding the paid app....you should almost get your money back. Will the future free one be able to see you're a premium member and show ALL nearby caches ? Bummer .

Here's the Help Center article: 4.11. Throwdowns - How to handle them Basically, when a cacher places a container when they can't find the original container. This is not good practice. Thanks - I've not come across one of them yet. Seems like an odd thing for anyone to do. If the cache isn't there, then it isn't there. It either needs replacing properly (by the CO) or archiving. Basically , if a cache isn't there ( you can't find it ) just log a DNF and move on. Depending on how difficult a cache is to find once it has accumulated a number of DNF's in may be time for a NM. However we have seen a number of 1 diff caches with a number of DNF's that were there and also we miss plenty of 1-11/2's....many times a cache is listed as a 1 and its really closer to a 3. Simple, if we can't find it its a DNF period.

We have replaced MANY damaged containers with a like container. The amount of logs we replaced would now be over 500 or so, I just made a batch of 100 or so yesterday ...about 70 went into ziplocks and 30 were for preforms. We have replaced logs all over the lower 48 states but our area gets more rainfall then anyplace else and no container keeps logs dry for very long. Also folks cache in the rain so a perfect container becomes a little terrarium and the logs get moldy and fall apart. I think carrying spare logs and o-rings is a good thing to do....do you have to, no. If you can't find a cache its a DNF, not a NM or NA and don't leave a " throwdown ".

+1.

I'm extremely happy with my 64s. I have found the Birdseye images to be quite good. I really like how it overlays the sat image and allows the underlying topo map lines to show through. You ARE selecting V2 when downloading, right? After my free year, I continued to subscribe. I only download the forest preserves and boonies. In the city areas where my cell phone can get a good 4G signal, I just use my phone when I feel the need for a sat view. +3 on the 64S.

We use a Nuvi 780 with caches loaded as favorites when driving in strange areas.....we hike to the cache using 62S and 64S units and around town I drive with them as well.

This along with derogatory comments happened to me a bunch......making all mine PM solved this as well as looting of my TB hotel and other problems.

I've found stainless steel water bottles that had been submerged for so long they had barnacles on the outside....inside was dry but the log was in a bison suspended from the lid....it was weighted with sinkers.

I'm guessing you know this but PT's are really a subset of geocaching where the finder is encouraged by the CO to do maint on the trail....its a good thing because lots is needed. My wife and another couple did a trail last week where we replaced 99% of the logs which were soaked by a front that came through a few days earlier, in fact my wife's job was to make logs as we proceeded. Several containers which were cracked were replaced. Right or wrong, trails couldn't exist without the continued maint. of finders....bring sacks of logs and containers with you, its the way the PT game is played. Replacing a wet log when you've managed to find the cache placed by the CO is one thing. Replacing the entire cache because investing the effort to actually find it is too costly to you and too much of a risk to your fake find count isn't how the game is played by anyone with any credibility. I agree but again a PT is a different animal. Two or three containers at GZ is no problem for the CO....they serve as back up at that particular location. Throwdowns, in general, are appreciated by PT CO's. On most PT's caches are very easy to find ( base of sign or telephone pole, etc )so its easy to determine if the cache is there. On the one we did last week all containers were well camo'ed micros hidden inside the tree line and many were tough to find ( only qualified as a PT because caches were close together and along the same road )so we replaced only containers we found that were broken.

I'm guessing you know this but PT's are really a subset of geocaching where the finder is encouraged by the CO to do maint on the trail....its a good thing because lots is needed. My wife and another couple did a trail last week where we replaced 99% of the logs which were soaked by a front that came through a few days earlier, in fact my wife's job was to make logs as we proceeded. Several containers which were cracked were replaced. Right or wrong, trails couldn't exist without the continued maint. of finders....bring sacks of logs and containers with you, its the way the PT game is played.

I liked that about the old Magellan Meridian......you could load multiple files and rename them.