AKACRider

I can make them with a pair of vicegrips, a coordless drill with a 3 16 black oxide bit, a dremel with a cutting wheel, a hacksaw would work too, a 3 8 - 14x 1 1 4 bolt, a 3 8 - 14 nut, 3 8 x 1 16 n42 magnets. And JB weld I can make one in about 8 minutes for about 2.15$ a piece.

Thanks to everyone who chipped in on this. I have learned my lesson... Vacation caches are a slippery slope that I want to stay off of.

To an extent... But judjung from the responses ( which I was seeking ) I wont be hiding a vacation cache. Could I get a mod to shut this thing down? Ive seen what I need, I think.

So what advice, exactly, are you looking for? It doesn't sound like what your reviewer is asking you to do (logging a bunch of finds in Georgia) would be a horrible burden to you. At worst, this would delay when your Georgia cache(s) could be published by a few months --- and you'd get to do some caching in Georgia in the meantime. Am I missing something obvious here? No youve got it... Thats nowhere in the guidelines.

I dont remember any arrogance, until people started reacting with arrogance, and what did I ever post that was borderline innapropriate, you point it out, ill ditch it, because that was not the goal of this thread. I started out being human and honest about this. Others escelated the situation, and any " fired up a bit " comments I made were to people not thinking about what the write, as hiding behind a screen posting whatever they want is a pet peeve of mine, I havent said a single thing on this forum, that I wouldnt say to someones face, in context of course, in real life. And I never totally dissagreed with neversummer, I just added Ideas, believe it or not the oppinions I have gotten from the cool headed people on here have swayed my Idea, belive it or not this was not to rattle cages, I probbably wont bother taking them with me after seeing how negatively people react to the matter. Again Im not trying to be arrogant i swear to you, im different from your story look at my caches. Ive got one drive and dump. One, my first hide, learning the game, all my caches I have, I have spent thought, time, and money on. Take my theives gadget cache for example. Ammo cans, padlocks, and enough swag for it, are not free, you cant just toss an ammo can anywhere and not get a found it log from the bomb squad. Or look at birdseye view, it took me two hours to get across that swamp, to the one suitable tree, climbing spurs, saftey harnes, and the camo I used wasnt free, and after 2 weeks of planning, and contacting about the location, it took me 4 hours to put out. Or look at abandoned, there are a good bit of DNF s on iT, because it is well hidden, and a majority of the found it logs talk about how the cache brought them to a new place, and the humerous stories finding it.

I. Mean i knew it was hoing to be difficult, I was looking more for advice than agreement, im certainly not trying to bash on the reviewer.

Hold on. This isn't personal. Hiding a "spare" cache near the coordinates is a bad idea, and will only create confusion. There should be 1 cache at/near your coordinates. (Some hide "red herrings", but that's another topic altogether apart from what you're describing...you can search or start a new topic about red herring hides, but let's stick to your vacation cache placement, and your suggestion that you might hide an "extra" container...) There are myriad of problems with having another container and logbook at your cache site, and it should be plainly clear what those problems could be. Really, the benefit you seek is far outweighed by the issues that it will make for those seeking your cache. A vacation cache can work, yes. But that's not the point. It could be there for 5 years without incident, yes. But placing an extra cache to deal with the possibility that your cache could go missing is misguided. First of all, you're shirking your duties to maintain your cache and listing as outlined in the Knowledge Books and Guidelines. Leaving an "extra" cache at/near GZ is not maintaining the cache. Leaving a handful of extra caches with your designated maintainer to place when the see that it has gone missing or needs maintenance is the better way to handle this. Another issue is the supposition that your cache will go missing and you should need to place an "extra"/"spare" nearby. If you think your cache will go missing, and you will place an extra to deal with that apparent "eventuality" only serves to shoot your idea in the foot. You should place caches so that they will last, and should not be easily muggled. You should be saying to yourself, "I don't need an extra because my hide is sound, the container appropriate for the site, weather conditions, local laws, local guidelines, and the rate of finds for that area ('How big is my logbook?', e.g.)" The more buttoned up the details are for your desired vacation cache, the better the chances are that it would get approved, and that you wouldn't have to maintain it more than the couple of times a year when you are there for a visit. However, the way you are talking about it, and the approach you are taking is giving many of us the opinion that your hope to place a vacation cache is misguided. Again, it isn't personal. Rather, it is the viewpoint of these folks--myself included--that this isn't a good idea. I fear that you came to the forums with the hope that we'd take your side in thinking that the GA Reviewer you reference was out of line for telling you that you need to have finds in GA to be able to be considered for a vacation cache placement in their jurisdiction. I'm sorry to say that your case doesn't make us share that same disappointment in that Reviewer's decision. Again, if you feel that you should be able to place that cache in Georgia, you can appeal the Reviewer's decision to Groundspeak using the links I provided above. Also, as context, I'll say that you should really consider the possibility that this enthusiasm for the game, and your desire to hide a cache where you "vacation" are not going to overwhelm the guidelines or common practices of the game. It is a hard pill to swallow when you're relatively new and enthusiastic about the game--I'm guilty of this when I started out--but you shouldn't get too frustrated when the fact is that you may not ever get permission to hide a vacation cache. Thank you, this is exactly what I was looking for, yes Ive got them made, they are about a D2.5 or 3, the reviewer said I would need alternate maintainance, so i got the spare idea and ran with it, its a bison in a hollow pine stump, and in a hollow fallen brach, treated to last the weather, But my idea was hide a under a rock so to speak spare, hidden even more difficult, so not to be found if coords led closer, but there is still that possibility.

Really??? Yes im 15, but really??? Its somthing I enjoy and im really glad none of my local caching people act like you. Ever think about how some people might not have the time or resources to fetch every single last cache in the state. Yes i travel out of state and its none of your business why, but I can tell you ive got the time for 15 minutes to drop and get good coords on a cache thay I brought, but again, I wont have the time money and resources, to grab X caches. " whippersnapper" yes im young, but certainly not over confident, if I were I wouldnt be seeking YOUR IDEAS! ?

I WILL have to be very careful when getting the coords. And that was to the agressive responses there iS no need to be a hat when ask for an oppinion and, just so were clear, even though I would never love there again, the state still has a big significance and I. Think most of you see my reasoning.

I love. How you people take itso hard, my idea of hiding ONE spare 40 ft from GZ so it can hold out for 5 months at the most for ME MYSELF AND I to return. Again sit down PLEASE. ☺

Its not MY local reviewer, do o t wont kill me. ?

Ok some people need to sit down.its a topic not a bat... And many of you are missing the point, the point is, if i am able to maintain it, and active in the caching community, I should be able to do it, and yes i belive caches should last 5 years at the least. And I stated elswhere not in this thread, if I cant maintain it ( i will but this is worst case ) or my family cant maintain it, or my geobuddy cant, ill adopt the darn thing locally.if i wanted to see people working up an early heart attack over something simple, I would have just turned on my tv. ? and for the coordinates, The coords would have updated put the ios map wouldnt have changed, therefore phone cachers would have been in danger of tresspasding, and yes, to the screen hiders who junped my bum about that, these things happen when you take coords on a rainy day! Thanks for keeping your cool guys. I just want this thread to be welcoming to all people and oppinions, and not people lurking because we cant sit down.

Ok, Yes I agree, I do need more finds, but I have just as much fun hiding, and the I archived had FATAL coord errors. Appearing to be in peoples houses ect. Etrex on a cloudy day. And my point to the matter is the reviewer is just not being open to ideas. And If I do talk him into it. I love the idea of hiding spares 50 of 60 ft away. And they a r e not drive n dump hides, im talking 2.5 and up, not by my standards, by a local with 7000 finds under his belt.

Yea I was originally going to do it " on demand " but no no no... Quote " I've gone numb to family maintenance " And explained how it needed to be watched closer as he said he didnt think I would have a container that would last... i thin k a bison tube in a covered hollow log will last a year at least, but no no no to this as well. he thinks it will only last a year tops before the bison tube itself weathers away. I dont think he realizes I lived in the area for years before I moved to Ak with the majority of my family. I havent pulled this card yet... Im really getting irritated with it though, because collectively wasted 4 hours responding to these ridiculous emails

Thats just what I was thinking. Ive got maintenance " crews " for lack of better term, WHY should I need X time, and X caches found, but hes made it clear hes not publishing it until I comply...

Theres one near me that costs 100$ to get to. plus the helicopter ride cost.

Ok... I should have mentioned. Yes I live in Alaska, but I go to georgia twice per year, and spend about 2 months cumulatively. I have a geofriend in the area who is willing to help, as well as 15+ family members who have already volunteered to check up on it once a week, If I can pull this off. I have now got said reviewer in approval with this, but he now wants an X number of finds IN GA before I hide! This seems out of line to me.

Ok, So I just want some opinions here. Granted I may only have 32 finds and 7 hids at the moment, I know my stuff pretty well, not to be arrogant, just throwing it out there, and I am very involved with my local cachers. thatsbesides my point though... I usually. make two annual trips to richmond hill GA and cartersville GA, and yes i visit both every time. I am going down in december, staying 2 1/2 weeks. so I thought It would be fun to place a series of 2 or 3 at the most caches in georgia,...

I have left one NA. Cache was wrecked, everything inside soaked and frozen, 5+ NM logs, And I noticed owner had been MIA for 5 1/2 years, and I could have replaced the lunchbox at the base of a tree with a D3. Justified?

I scan daily, I tried to open a thread today, but it shows up red and says I cant view it... so whatever. I still read a bunch