Colourbox

Brilliant So did you check, or are you just taking my word for this?

Exactly, and this is one reason walkers are now covering themselves with PLI, it they are negligent then they have cover to protect. Leaving a gate accidentally open and a cow gets one the road, that is negligent. But, a Landowner who has Public rights of way, also requires to cover their self with PLI, and if they are sued, then their PLI company is going to want to pursue any party involved who did not seek permission for the use of the Landowners land. Even the Right to Roam only allows you to walk on the land, not to Hide or Seek a cache. If you do this without permission, then the Landowner can take steps against the person / persons if they so wish. In fact in the discussion I had it was suggested that a Landowner could accuse a Cache setter of dumping rubbish if permission was not sought; this could gain a person an ASBO, a fine of up to £50,000 or a prison sentence.

Typing the words Garmin UK address, into Google is far quicker than bashing out the above text on your keyboard, and would take you so much less time to complete!

As you see in my profile Yes there are, and there are hire car companies who will drop a car off at 8:30am at such places I visited, where were you You don't expect a girl to get her hair wet, do you? So I did the Logical thing and kept dry Log stamped and dated Pippa

Catch you all later after I log a Jerryo cache, I hope Mr Jerryo will visit this cache and confirm that Miss Colourbox has been and stamped and dated the Log book! Pippa

I appreciate what you have said here, but the sad fact is that even hill walkers are taking out PLI. It might be difficult to prove that is was caching related, but an accident is an accident, and as such a Landowner and his PLI company has the complete legal right to request indemnity.

Frankly, I am surprised anyone commanding a jet on short finals to land would have the time to bother looking for potential muggles or cachers at a cache site below. How does one differentiate between pillocks and cachers when only judging with a birds eye view I wonder? That said, was the wind in the right direction for Manchester to be using runway 24R yesterday morning? There will be, by law, a record of all aircraft activity at the airport yesterday morning ... Just a few casual observations from someone who genuinely has a PPL I never made this log, so don't preach me on flying, my helicopter is not even based at Manchester. Anyway now off to get a Jerryo cache, everything is booked and should have it sorted by 9am BBFN Pippa

I'll promise to do one of your caches Jerryo, just for starting this post, as I get lots of insults, about me

I have just noted that the cache is now unarchived, does this mean that it will remain in place for at least 90 days as the rules recommend?

Whilst at Dinner Party at a Barrister friends house yesterday evening, I mentioned Geocaching and PLI, here is his take on this, based on several scenarios. 1. You place a cache on a or close (within arms reach) of a Right of Way, but do not have the Landowners permission for this. If an accident occurs, the Seeker can sue the Landowner, and the Landowner could place a counter claim against the Setter. It is in this case the responsibility of the Landowner to provide safe passage, but the Setter has not sought permission, so the Landowner can pursue the Setter for the loss, this would most likely be handled by the Landowners PLI company. 2. You place a cache on a or close (within arms reach) of a Right of Way, and you do have the Landowners permission for this. This would place a greater onus on the Landowner, as they are accepting the practice, and this would make it difficult for the Landowner to pursue the Setter, but the Seeker still might have a case against the Landowner. 3. You place a cache off a Right of Way, but do not have the Landowners permission for this. Both the Landowner and Setter could be pursued, but it is likely that the Setter would be the person held responsible, but the Seeker could claim that there was inadequate warnings on the land, the situation would require local topological examination. 4. You place a cache off a Right of Way, and do have the Landowners permission for this. Again this would place a greater onus on the Landowner, as they are accepting the practice, and this would make it difficult for the Landowner to pursue the Setter, but the Seeker still might have a case against the Landowner. We looked at several Gecache pages whilst chatting about this, and noted two types of warnings on pages First is the one by Groundspeak: The opinion on this, is that there is nothing in English Law that makes this a binding agreement, and therefore in England and Wales (we were unsure about Scotland, as the Scottish have a slightly different legal system), this hold little weight for either the Setter or Landowner. The other warnings, are the ones on the cache page, made by the Setter, which usually read as follows. or other similar phrases might be seen in some light as a disclaimer, but would certainly not remove the Setters or Landowners liability if an accident occurred, and it was seen to be either the Setters or Landowners negligence. What he said was essential, would be a written clear indication of any dangers which could be faced during the pursuit of the cache, like: He did say, that the game looks less of a hazard than the majority of pastimes, and as such there is really little to worry about, but and gaining personal indemnity would not be a bad idea, for both seeking and setting Geocaches.

Oh! I missed that one, strictly having never been involved in any religion I can understand the reasons for this. This is context which is mainly Christian, Jewish and Muslim, appearing in each religions relevant books. But there are many world religions, that do not preach any of the text on the cache page, and it could offend these people. Personally, I think your game, and religion should never meet, with the exception of football which is a religion and game in its own right.

Yes that is the cacher! Are they renowned for this annoying trait?

I have just visited a cache in my hurry to gain my 1st First to Find but could not find it I looked at the Cachers profile, and have noted that they have an annoying habit of setting a cache, then archiving it within weeks. Having recently read the Cache setting guidelines, it states the following with regards to permanence Why is this Cacher setting caches which last less than a month, it is very annoying Pippa

I don't personally like midis, but, did you know there's estimated to be more than 100 remixes of that song? There's lots of different styles including banjo, many techno remixes, several different classical, and of course, the infamous crazy frog remix) I think Mr Edgemaster you might find this is called humour, but maybe humour is not logical to you

You say that "You shouldn't need public liability insurance for placing a cache", but that is entirely a Landowners decision, and can be a prerequisite of the Landowners Public Liability insurance, If their insurance company requires this then it would take a strong body to negotiate a clause which excludes Geocaching. IMHO, I believe that a PLI is unlikely to give way on this, as it would form a president which they would not wish to set.

Yes

Try http://marnanel.org/counties

Pippa - female

I wonder if her boyfriend got his SatNav back!

Chav = Council housed and violent

Highest Geocache density in the world?

A reviewer with a name that makes sense something like UK Cache Reviewer 1, and not the present silly ones of Laptospirosis, Eckkythump and Decking Angie

Looks like the good old OS mapping at 1:50,000 is gone on the new site, it is a detrimental step!

A Sock Puppet police squad!