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It's not MINE by any chance, is it?

Not to be persnickety, but your clue does not match the method. That's way it took me so long to figure it out. I ended up having to use the hint. Then it was child's play.

quote:Originally posted by flask:just out of curiosity, i'm interested to know what ammo you'd have that you can't use. There's the very rare misfire. Bad reloads. Inherited boxes of junk with live ammo. Ammo for guns you've gotten rid of. ...and, of course, from caches.

quote:Originally posted by tirediron:Shall we put this to bed and save the rest of the forum readers further agony? Fine by me. quote:Originally poster by flask:i figured just throwning it in the trash was a bad idea since i share a common dumpster with my neighbors.. who have kids... who have been known to pitch rocks into the dumpster on a slow day. Yeah, I'd have to agree, in those circumstances. There was a recent incident with some kids shooting at a .22 shell with pellet guns. Yup, it went off and one of the kids got hurt. Nothing major, but enough to make the news.

Okay, TI, you got me on the ANY part. However, I did call up to the Maine State Troop G headquarters. The gentleman I spoke to was of the mind that it wouldn't be a good idea to throw it in the trash. His reason wasn't for the fact that it's illegal--he couldn't say that it was--but for liability reasons. He said because it is so easy to simply take it to a gun shop or somewhere that the cons outweight the pros of just throwing it away. If something happened, though very unlikely, you could be held responsible if it could be determined you were the one that tossed it. (BTW, he also said for me to not to try to take it apart as I could blow myself up.) So there you have it. In the interest of being fair (and I don't mind being proved wrong, if I am) that's where it stands. Do what you feel comfortable with. Plus, this illustrates the contrasts of firearms policies in differing parts of North America.

Well, I think the issue now is if it could be thrown in the household trash. Just got off the phone with my state's law enforcement department. I again asked the question similar to above and the agent said that he knew of no law of disposing of a single shell. He'd simply toss it in the trash. I did talk to a local gun shop that teaches self defense and CCW classes to get your CCW permit and he said he wouldn't toss it in the trash, but didn't know of any law that prevented it. He could certainly take it off our hands and dispose of it. So, it appears to be unclear what the LAW is here, but two law enforcement personel, one county and one state, said they'd simply toss in the trash. But if it makes you feel more comfortable, take it to any of the places sbell111 listed. BTW, we've taken live ammo out of a cache, too. I think I still have it in my catch-all bowl.

quote:Originally posted by tirediron:It is a crimminal offence to improperly dispose of ANY explosive material. It may be brought to the nearest police station, OR they will pick it up from your residence. Ah, but that's the thing. It certainly should be illegal to do something that is against the law. That's a no brainer. My question would have been, is it improper/illegal to throw a single unspent shell into the household garbage? Is that what they said? Is the only way to dispose of a single, or very few, live cartridges is to deliver them to the local law enforcement facility? What could be the alternatives to legally dispose of said materials? Still curious.

TiredIron, I never intended to belittle anyone, but your referenced quote was response to someone thinking so little of my previous response. No need to quote here--just look up. So, out of curiosity, I took 60 seconds and called my local sheriff's office. I asked, "Hey, I'm trying to settle a dispute between a buddy and me. Say we were out in the middle of the woods and found a shotgun shell--unfired. Can we just throw it away or is there something special we have to do?" "Chuck it," was his response with a slight chuckle. "Just toss it?" "Yep" So, there you have it. At least in this part of the woods, disposal of a single unfired shell is a simple as throwing it away. But, to ease your mind, look up the number to your local law enforcement and ask them. Spend the minute or two to find out what the requirements are in your area. Maybe you do have special requirements, maybe you don't. But then you'd know. Also, let us know the final resolution. I'm curious.

quote:Originally posted by GOT GPS?:_Can you try to find it using arial Photos, like what you can access from a cache page??_Or would the cemetary end up being invisible to the camera? I tried all of the street mapping resources I had access to--MSS&T, Delorme's, Yahoo, MapBlast, you name it--but that street name is not listed anywhere remotely close the town it's near. Aerial photography solutions wheren't any better. I suspect where this cemetery is, it's simply overgrown--practically no kind of aerial photography would be of any use.

Actually, that's a great idea. I've come to a dead end with a relative from the early 1800's who is buried in a cemetery almost a 1000 miles away. The road it's on has grown up, the street sign has fallen down, and the lister pretty much says that unless you know exaclty where it is, you'd never find it. I've tried several times to contact this person, but each of his email addresses bounce. It sure would have been nice if he had had a GPS to take readings of the cemetery so I could have found it, too.

Sheesh! Stop it with the paronia. If you want to be afraid of something really dangerous, you wouldn't be driving. No, I wasn't fooling. Just throw it away. ...and stop being so paranoid!

It's not as if it's ordinance or anything. Something that small, simply throw it away. It's not any more dangerous than a mostly empty can of Lysol or hair spray. It's no more environmently damaging than most of the rest of the trash. It's not going to go off unless there is very high heat or a sharp rap on the primer. Don't be afraid of it, just throw it away with the rest of your trash.

Log: Found it! Dang, still pulling to the right. Took Advil for the bruising of my hand. Left the used foam ear plugs. Thanks for the cache!

The linked story indicates it was one the regular positioning satellites. If it was a WAAS it'd have been put into geo-syncronous orbit some 22,000+ miles up. I've often wondered why they couldn't have the positioning satellites relay the error correction information from the WAAS to the ground. It'd give folks better coverage. Maybe in future versions.

Member of US Special Forces displaying his First To Find prize. WARNING: NOT FOR CHILDREN Click to view

If there had been a test section it could have been cleared once a week.

Take it from an atheist who is as certain in my views as is any evangelist is in his, what happened is wrong. Obviously, I don't agree with the message religion-based caches try to communicate, but I just treat them like any other themed cache. I can't say I don't have a problem with people openly displaying their views, but I reconize their right to express them. Can't say I don't think less of a person who openly expresses their faith, but can those of you of faith say you don't feel the same about someone who expresses their atheism? I'm sure you feel all of this honesty is ironic coming from a sockpuppet account, but there are fanatics on both sides. Back on topic. It is not up to a few people, or single person for that matter, to decide what themes are allowed in geocaching. TPTB certainly can decide what they will list on their site, but on a whole, I feel whoever stole your cache are no better than the self-appointed eco-cops that pop up ever so often. That is just plain wrong and there really is no other way to look at it, IMO. What's next, bulldozing churches because they are the basis of a virt? These idiots are no better than the freaks that have wished me dead because I'd prefer the Pledge go back to the pre-1954 version and move back from the devisive national motto to the all-inclusive, pre-1956 one, "E Pluribus Unum" (Out of Many, One.) Quite frankly, what was done is wrong and you have my support for the termination of the accounts of those who did it if they can be found. I say make it a virt and challenge them to walk off with that!

quote:Originally posted by BloenCustoms:Waypoint #gc4USA EXCELLENT!

I guess the key would be not to act suspiciously on Federal land. Second, I think he's full of kaka, but then it's not wise to act belligerently with anyone who has the ability to ruin a caching trip. I'd probably just say okay and move on. Using the "I lost my car keys" or "I'm looking for my cat" routine would probably be better than trying to explain geocaching in these trying times.

So what's next, Spot Caches? You go to the listed coordinates and take a picture of your GPS and post a find? No interesting spot, no cache, no nothing? Oh, wait, it should be called "Nothing/Locationless Hybrid," right? But, wait, that's doesn't allow those without cameras to play. Hell, just go to the spot and log a find. Better yet, just email the owner that you thought about going to the spot and log a find. Oh, oh, even better, just log a find and don't even think about going to the spot. Okay, so I was getting ridiculous. Point is either figure out a way to put micro in there or make it a virtual. Don't go trying to skirt the guidelines by writing a word on a rock and calling it a cache. You got to put more effort into it than that.

Layout looks good, the order is screwed up, but for some reason it seems a lot slower than the other one. I can count "one thousand one, one thousand two" between screens. Huh!? I do NOT like the new profile page. I DO like the new REPLY window. Anyway, I'm sure the bugs will get sorted out.

quote:Originally posted by leavenotrace:Clearly, this is an area where your organization, Leave No Trace, and the Ventana Wilderness Alliance should work together in establishing guidelines (as in get proper permission, include a note in the geocache regarding permission granted, avoid leaving caches in highly sensitive areas- keep them as close to or within reach of designated trails and camps as possible, etc.) Mike, You try to make it sound like the land is under your control somehow. I'm sure most here appreciate your efforts to keep our environment clean, but equating our gamepieces with trash will not do much to win sympathy for your position. Quite frankly, I think you will find few here that would be enthusiastic with some volunteer group trying to make guidelines for our hobby. Plus, your adversarial approach right off the bat belies your claim that you want to try geocaching. I know my position would be I would rather work someone with authority than some hothead who's got a couple of weekends picking trash under his belt.

If one doesn't know a particular finder's logging style one wouldn't be able to read anything into the log at all--as it relates to length. Besides, you can't search on a "glowing logs" attribute. You can browse logs--and there are some beauts--but that's it. Wading through a few hundred logs to find a few caches that people in the area like is time consuming and makes for more preparation to go into an area than I care to spend. I would be in favor of some kind of system that you could search on. The ability to add to a top 10 list would work. Being able to search for caches were the logs indicate 25% of finders have placed that cache on their top 10 list would certainly be one to go for. Plus, in a PQ only the last 5 logs are displayed. These slots could be eaten up by DNFs and notes. This does not allow a PQ to tell the whole story in respect to the finders' opinion of the cache.

Length of log doesn't denote quality of cache. Some of us are fairly curt with our logs. Ratings will always be subjective as is the rating of most things, but that doesn't stop us from trying. I've found movie critics so often disagree with my findings that I've simply don't go by what they have to say. Same goes by boxoffice earnings--it doesn't always jive with how I like a movie. The same will go with caches. Only problem is the sampling is so small. One person can have a much more dramatic influence on the overall rating of a cache. That being said. I would be in favor of a well thought rating or recommendation system. It would be better than nothing.

quote:Originally posted by BrownMule:The sooner this is realized and made an absolute requirement the sooner we will be on the road to making this game an accepted hobby and rid the game of the outlaw image that some folks have of the game. You'll run up against the express versus implied permission issue. Some LM's will NOT give express permission for liability reasons.