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  1. I'm trying to figure out why these topics are 95% thoughtful discourse and 5% generalization and namecalling. If I spit in your face would you want to talk to me? Or compromise? Come on. to: bbnot2busy I prefer to keep the toys in the caches. That's what a geocache is and should be. I don't think it's the size of the cache that is the issue but the existence of one. to: navdog Not sure what a permit would mean. That's what compromises are all about. I would expect optimally would be to speak with a land manager to find out the "safe areas" and hide them there. Jeremy
  2. quote:Originally posted by mav:...when you use a MOMS Club event to teach all your friend how to read a GPS so they can convince their husbands to try it! ...when you wish they gave extra bonus ratings to caching with a 27 pound baby on your back and a 2.5 year old toddler in tow ;-) (Just remember my 2's & 3's are YOUR 3's & 4's heehee!) mav Stop talking about me! I did just that at the last meeting of my MOMS club playgroup and am thinking of selecting a geocaching walk in the local park (where we plan to plant a cache soon) for one of the future playgroup days that is my pick! You know, I fully expected hubby to chat with some of the other dads at or Summer Bash this past Saturday and talk GeoCaching up, but instead he listened in on an aviation discussion! Will be inviting one of the playgroup families along for a hunt soon anyway because I was sure it was right up her alley, and when I told her about it her eyes just lit up! And in my case, it's the 2-year-old that's 27 pounds, and the second won't be born for several months yet! The toddler loves to go "treasure hunting!" T-storm [This message has been edited by T-storm (edited 06 August 2001).]
  3. quote:Originally posted by mav:...when you use a MOMS Club event to teach all your friend how to read a GPS so they can convince their husbands to try it! ...when you wish they gave extra bonus ratings to caching with a 27 pound baby on your back and a 2.5 year old toddler in tow ;-) (Just remember my 2's & 3's are YOUR 3's & 4's heehee!) mav Stop talking about me! I did just that at the last meeting of my MOMS club playgroup and am thinking of selecting a geocaching walk in the local park (where we plan to plant a cache soon) for one of the future playgroup days that is my pick! You know, I fully expected hubby to chat with some of the other dads at or Summer Bash this past Saturday and talk GeoCaching up, but instead he listened in on an aviation discussion! Will be inviting one of the playgroup families along for a hunt soon anyway because I was sure it was right up her alley, and when I told her about it her eyes just lit up! And in my case, it's the 2-year-old that's 27 pounds, and the second won't be born for several months yet! The toddler loves to go "treasure hunting!" T-storm [This message has been edited by T-storm (edited 06 August 2001).]
  4. Come on guys, you're getting too specific on me here The example I presented was just that, an example. If it is such a unique example, tell me that and I'll find something else to talk about. I just figured that maybe this was an issue that other folks had run into and I was trying to offer a possible solution. I'd be surprised if any of you experienced seekers haven't run into caches rated the same that had very different time requirements.
  5. Come on guys, you're getting too specific on me here The example I presented was just that, an example. If it is such a unique example, tell me that and I'll find something else to talk about. I just figured that maybe this was an issue that other folks had run into and I was trying to offer a possible solution. I'd be surprised if any of you experienced seekers haven't run into caches rated the same that had very different time requirements.
  6. There are the varied types that you talk about, just not as common. Hide it and they'll come to find it!
  7. Guest

    Averaging comments

    All this fancy talk and quoting studies... I read the reports and learned some things that I wouldn't have known before, but none of it is really necessary. What I mean is this. The question a conscientious cache placer should really ask is: "Did I make a reasonable effort to ensure that my coordinates are accurate enough for the average geocacher to find my cache?" In my mind, this means: 1. Make sure that you have good satellite geometry. You want at least 4 satellites locked in. You want those satellites to be dispersed across the sky, not all directly above you. If you don't have good geometry, you should try another day. If that isn't an option, make a descriptive hint and state in the description that you are concerned about the coordinates. 2. Take several readings. Stand over the cache for a few minutes then record the coordinates. Walk away from the cache. I think 100-150' should do fine. Walk back to the cache. Stand over the cache for a few minutes then record the coordinates. Repeat a few times. 3. Arrive at a median value or an average. In the case of a median value, try Jeremy's "Shotgun" method. For an average, just average the coordinates. 4. Test your coordinates. Come back on another day and act like a geocacher. Enter your coordinates as a waypoint and see how close you can get to it. This is what I would call "Quality control". 5. Monitor your cache. Keep an eye on the logs. If the coordinates aren't good, you'll see it in the logs. Other cachers will occasionally post what they feel the best coordinates are. [Out, out dadgum typos!] [This message has been edited by PharoaH (edited 06 August 2001).]
  8. Guest

    Averaging comments

    quote:Originally posted by Markwell:OK - now that we've done all the esoteric talk and discussed various theories and empirical results, what would either Kerry or Brokenwing have done with the seven different readings I received when I placed that cache? Still haven't posted it. Markwell, it's sort of a difficult question to answer not knowing under what conditions and what the situation actually looked like at the time. Basically (as I see it) jotting down or averaging a few readings over a short period of time hasn't given the system time to change any of its characterics. If it's a really bad location then it's certainly going to be better to have a few readings but spaced over a longer time peiod. The situation this afternoon could be entirely different (for better or worse) than say what it was this morning. 2 periods doesn't have much of a chance in deciding which group is right or wrong. 3 could help but of course the more the better based on simply stats. If using a handheld generally always best to face the equator, no satellites 40-45 degees either side of the poles up to about 45 degrees. Cheers, Kerry.
  9. Thanks... But I was realizing - these could be fields in the hide a geocache form - for permission, who did you talk to, phone number, did you have to explain the process or were they aware of it, did you get it in writing, do they want requests written, faxed, mailed, what was the fax or address, and one that irks me: what is your confidence level that this person really has the authority to make the decision! Being extremely jaded to government, there is someone else waiting in the wings wanting to show their political / beaurocratic muscle to say no. knowing that person's confidence level was low might spawn someone else to look elsewhere for permission and see if it winds back at the first person. Either way, more effort than I feel we should have to go through to use a public park... but that is the bloat in gov't. Thanks for the efforts and yeah, unfortunately, it seems like this is very much needed.
  10. Guest

    Is this acceptable?

    If someone is interested in Caching at Smithville Lake, I have a contact there. We are the dive team for Clay CO. Parks and they run the lake. I would be happy to talk to the Director about just telling the gate people that they are caching. Let me know. I will check it out. Ryan
  11. Guest

    Averaging comments

    quote:Originally posted by Markwell:OK - now that we've done all the esoteric talk and discussed various theories and empirical results, what would either Kerry or Brokenwing have done with the seven different readings I received when I placed that cache? Still haven't posted it. I think you do exactly as you listed in your first post. It is certainly acceptable to throw out any outliers and average the remaining coordinates. Alternately, just average them all. That is the beauty of averaging. Either way, your going to be pretty close. Jeremy's method also works well, and can be pretty accurate. The concept is the same, it discounts any wild readings. Thanks, brokenwing ---- Eschew obfuscation!
  12. Well? You know, where people subscribe to a list and all post to it-- and everyone gets a copy of what others spout on about. Usually it's a bit less public than a website forum is-- and it might be a place for people to vent a bit more privately on issues they have. I belong to a mailing list which has about 70-100 subscribers-- we all talk about old Silver Age comic books! Good fun, but private. It's a nice balance to the public forums out on the web like this one. But I have no idea how to start one up.
  13. Guest

    Averaging comments

    OK - now that we've done all the esoteric talk and discussed various theories and empirical results, what would either Kerry or Brokenwing have done with the seven different readings I received when I placed that cache? Still haven't posted it.
  14. Guest

    Orlando Geo-Cachers

    Anyone in the greater Orlando area intersted in getting together to talk shop, find/place caches, disucss GPS units. Once a month or so at a local resteraunt. ------------------
  15. Guest

    Louisiana PING!?!

    Oooooh, goodie! I've got some new people lined up to go geocaching and hiking with me. Myself and another Louisiana cacher or two are discussing LAGG-1 for sometime late August or more likely September, so if anyone wants to put their two cents in, post away. (I'm hoping to try the really cool sounding cache SW of Alex this weekend... and it's only about 1.3 miles from an as-of-yet unvisted confluence, IIRC... I hope I can talk J^2 into trying that, too.) [This message has been edited by ClayJar (edited 02 August 2001).]
  16. quote:Originally posted by mfratto:and just for the record, this "sport" reeks of commericalism -- think of the money that goes into doing it. this is not a money-free sport -- at the very least, you need two (gps and computer) and possible three (car/truck) and maybe more very expensive pieces of equiptment to "play." Then there is buying all the fun stuff, shirts, hats, etc. And there is nothing wrong with it, but there isn't much these days that isn't commercial -- unless you mean a walk through with woods -- with no gps, no cache, and no other "goodies." For some of us, when we talk about "commercialism" in this forum we don't mean the money we spend to PLAY the sport. we are talking about the caches that are commercial. Big difference. By your definition, everything about our lives is commercial. That's not what we mean.
  17. quote:Originally posted by mfratto:and just for the record, this "sport" reeks of commericalism -- think of the money that goes into doing it. this is not a money-free sport -- at the very least, you need two (gps and computer) and possible three (car/truck) and maybe more very expensive pieces of equiptment to "play." Then there is buying all the fun stuff, shirts, hats, etc. And there is nothing wrong with it, but there isn't much these days that isn't commercial -- unless you mean a walk through with woods -- with no gps, no cache, and no other "goodies." For some of us, when we talk about "commercialism" in this forum we don't mean the money we spend to PLAY the sport. we are talking about the caches that are commercial. Big difference. By your definition, everything about our lives is commercial. That's not what we mean.
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    Busted in Boston (WARNING)

    I should also add here that my first cache has been found by the park rangers... From what I'm told they signed the log book and replaced the cache. I would like to talk to them about it and I certainly will when I get back there (3 1/2 hours away).. I am somewhat embarrassed that I did not ask for permission prior but feel it would be best to admit my haste and thank them for their acceptance. In general it's so hard to get addresses and phone numbers of contact people though. I have tried emailing the state parks service and they refered me to another webpage that looped me back to them. Ttepee
  19. Guest

    Geocache Alcatraz!

    More thoughts-- yeah, who in the NPS would really know? With all due respect to Buzbon, did he talk to the 'right' guy? And who knows what opposite answer another fellow might give if asked the same question? I'm all for respecting property rights and all the laws that make sense to me in this world-- or ignoring the ones that don't affect me or I think are ridiculous. That being said, I sincerely doubt the NPS has a policy on geocaching-- for the simple reason that they have no experience with it more than likely, and if they did, they'd simply apply (I'm guessing) some regulation that would apply to being fined for failing to remove trash. I will suspect that the jury is out.
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    Iowa Area Cache's

    Well having just finished our first one my roomate and I have decided to create one of our own as well. What I am wondering, for you Ames residents, have you had to recieve persmission from the Parks and Rec office to do this? or should our first step be to talk to them?
  21. Guest

    GeoCaching or GeoTrashing?

    ckpackers like myself, removal of all vehicles from necessary trailheads in remote desert will necessarily remove all human contact from vast tracts of desert lands... Well, gee. Maybe you just won't get to see everything in your lifetime. You have my sympathies, but the overall health of the environment is FAR more important than your (and my) selfish human desire to "conquer" it. quote:Since human habitation has been going on in the U.S. deserts for approximately 4,000 years the idea that all humans are better kept away for fear of potential environmental damage is absurd. The absurdity is yours. Talk about uninformed. You should read just a little about the historic population of the North American deserts. You'll learn that there were NOT millions of inhabitants with "vehicles" roaming the deserts. In fact, the wheel did not even exist on the continent until it was brought by Europeans. Your lack of knowledge is going to make it very difficult for you to prove your argument.
  22. Guest

    GeoCaching or GeoTrashing?

    ckpackers like myself, removal of all vehicles from necessary trailheads in remote desert will necessarily remove all human contact from vast tracts of desert lands... Well, gee. Maybe you just won't get to see everything in your lifetime. You have my sympathies, but the overall health of the environment is FAR more important than your (and my) selfish human desire to "conquer" it. quote:Since human habitation has been going on in the U.S. deserts for approximately 4,000 years the idea that all humans are better kept away for fear of potential environmental damage is absurd. The absurdity is yours. Talk about uninformed. You should read just a little about the historic population of the North American deserts. You'll learn that there were NOT millions of inhabitants with "vehicles" roaming the deserts. In fact, the wheel did not even exist on the continent until it was brought by Europeans. Your lack of knowledge is going to make it very difficult for you to prove your argument.
  23. Guest

    Etrex not all that sensitive?

    I had a Magellan GPS 310 for our first cache hunt yesterday and it worked pretty good. But I wanted the thousandths, so I was told the etrex (yellow) was the way to go. I got that and did our 2nd hunt today. I think the trees were a little thicker, but not dramatically. I kept getting 'weak signal' messages and it took an unfun amount of time to find the cache. And in the car - yesterday I was comparing the 310's speed to my speedometer, no problem. Today, I had to hold the etrex up to the window. Looking at the signal strength of each satellite on the etrex, I get maybe 3 strong signals when I was standing in a baseball field sized open area, in the center. Yesterday, the 310 woudl talk of tracking 5-9 satellites (not sure how strong the signals were for all of them though! I've read a bunch of threads about the etrex and am really confused on moving up again to the 315. Any thoughts?!
  24. Guest

    What model GPS is everyone using? III

    I'm looking to buy my first GPS system. I was looking at the GPS 315 and thought it sounded decent. Not knowing the least bit of anything about them, it sounded good. I've read a lot of you talk very good about it and was wondering what a good price is for it. The one I saw was $150, is that a good buy?
  25. This controversy regarding 'commercial geocaching' or 'virtual caches'-- what's the point here, bottom line, for us all? Why do we geocache? My answer is below... ? it's fun! Am I having fun? ? it gets me outdoors and to places I've never been-- it helps me to discover my world! ? it gives me a fuller understanding of the technology of GPS... expands my experience in general web and other tech... I like gadgets that have practical applications. ? but am I having fun and getting some exercise? There are the keys... for me! If I go to a cache that's commercial-- like the coffee shop in question... if it's labeled as commercial, then fine! I'll take my chances by going. If some guy thinks that the coffee shop is great, well hell! Fine, I don't mind! Finding a place by virtue of GPS tech is the challenge. Better yet would be instructions on the web announcement page to enter the shop and ask for the cache (a real one!) from someone behind the counter. Inside could be coffee drink coupons provided the geocacher/coffee shop enthusiast. That works for me! C'mon guys! Purism is fine, and for me, I don't care if the GPS coordinates are the most gorgeous waterfall in California or some greasy dive in San Francisco that has the best calamari I'll ever taste. Point is, I don't have an address to check-- only GPS coords. If Joe Geocacher likes Coffeeshop X or Restaurant Le Spoon de Greese, I don't mind if he posts it on the site. The getting there is the thing. Still, a physical cache would be damned preferable. I want the cacher to work a LITTLE bit-- talk to the proprietor or staff of the commercial spot s/he likes, and set up a PHYSICAL CACHE. Tell the staff or proprietor to expect occasionally folks with little 'cell phones' coming to the store. Can't be bad for business-- they may even use the service or goods available there! I'm planning a series of waypoints and cache for my wife. I'll start with her going to my friend's house (give her the key) where she will then have instructions to get the GPS I'll leave there with the pre-programmed waypoint stops on her trip toward her final present. I'll send her to a coffee shop I like-- with instructions to speak to the staff and make some identifying request so that she can access the cache. From there, another item she must take to the next waypoint on her schedule. And so forth-- where she finally ends up at the massage/hot tub studio we occasionally go to. Now, I wouldn't post this on the geocaching site-- it's just for her. Look, geocaching is all about having fun, getting out and getting exercise, and seeing the new stuff in the world to see. Having fun. Is there something wrong with the Planet of the Apes search promotion? Naah. It looks like fun. So, ask yourself-- what's the point of geocaching except to enjoy yourself? If coffeeshop owner puts out a commercial cache, that's one thing. You as a poster make your choice. If I see an ad in the paper for a new restaurant with NO address or phone number,other than good food provided at reasonable prices, whoa! Cool! (not good promotion, really, but cool. How many of us have GPS devices?) But, imagine! First it was email addresses, then websites. Soon it'll be... GPS coordinates? Are we having fun yet? Lots of possibilities with this technology-- and I'm already working them into my personal life with my wife. Gives me a chance to be 'clever' and creative-- another cool thing about the technology! Well? Are you having fun? Well?
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